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Dangers of Same-Sex Couples Adopting Children - The Stress For Kids
Zenit News Agency ^ | November 5, 2004 | Dale O'Leary

Posted on 11/06/2004 11:29:32 PM PST by NYer

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To: zarf
Religion aside, I think it takes a tortured reading of the federal constitution to permit a same sex marriage ban.

How so? Marriage is an institution that implicitly requires the union of a male and a female. That is what marriage is. Just because a person says they are a polar bear, doesn't make them one. And the constitution does not require the federal government or any state to regard them as one. There is no constitutional requirement to allow anyone to redefine the meaning of established institutions.

21 posted on 11/07/2004 12:14:00 AM PST by ppaul
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To: MegaSilver
The passage of the 13th and 14th amendments does not give the government license to "force" the various races to get along. Even now, I take issue with the notion that the federal government has the right to tell a business that it cannot discriminate against employees on the basis of race. Mind you, I would never refuse to hire a person simply because he was black, but I have a serious problem with the federal government meddling in race relations.

So you believe an individual state has a right to pass segregation laws?

22 posted on 11/07/2004 12:15:48 AM PST by zarf
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To: EdReform; TxBec

ping


23 posted on 11/07/2004 12:16:47 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
There is no constitutional requirement to allow anyone to redefine the meaning of established institutions.

Every one of these arguments was made during the civil rights era and eventually dismissed.

24 posted on 11/07/2004 12:18:33 AM PST by zarf
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To: Truth666

If you would tell somebody 100 years ago that laws legalising homosexual "adoption" would be passed one century later, anyone would be able to realise what that would mean.
Brainwahsed sheeple just aren't able tor realise how important legalising homosexuality (first step) and homosexual "adoption" are, in particular their significance as part of the satanic seal.


25 posted on 11/07/2004 12:20:45 AM PST by Truth666
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To: zarf
Every one of these arguments was made during the civil rights era and eventually dismissed.

Nonsense.
Name one case that applies.
You cannot.
You are spouting radical homosexual agenda talking points, that's all.

26 posted on 11/07/2004 12:25:08 AM PST by ppaul
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To: zarf
Discrimination is discrimination. I think the "ban gay marriage" voters are going to be disappointed.

Religion aside, I think it takes a tortured reading of the federal constitution to permit a same sex marriage ban. I don't see any difference between this issue or the racial civil rights issue.

People who want to enter into polygamous marriages are also discriminated against, and as you said, discrimination is discrimination. According to what the federal constitution says, do you think the ban on polygamous marriages should continue or has the time come to legalize polygamous marriages and end the discrimination?

27 posted on 11/07/2004 12:31:17 AM PST by usadave
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To: NYer

It is for this reason, and this reason alone, that I am vehemently opposed to gay marriage or "civil unions". I could personally care less who you sleep with. I think it is an immoral (sinful, if you like) lifestyle; but that is between the homo and God.

It is for this reason, primarily, that the butt bandits "demand" gay marriage. Their primary goal is the "mainstreaming" of their aberrant lifestyle by the indoctrination of succeeding generations; much like the liberals have done with government schools. There are also the groups such as NAMBLA that would like to sexually exploit children.

The GLBT community's other concerns; financial, succession, visitation, etc. can all be handled by joint accounts, legal contracts, and powers-of-attorney.


28 posted on 11/07/2004 12:37:50 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: zarf

No, but it is NOT the same thing.

The difference is that the Constitution applies to governmental actions - not the actions of private citizens and their corporate entities.


29 posted on 11/07/2004 12:41:00 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: dsc

Well corrected.


30 posted on 11/07/2004 12:47:08 AM PST by Truth666
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To: MegaSilver
3. The analogy that "gay" is to "straight" as "black" is to "white" is completely flawed, because there is no evidence or historical precedent to indicate that a person is, so to speak, ever "born homosexual." Sure, there have always been people (and animals) who desired to copulate with members of the same sex, but prior to the 19th and 20th centuries, no one ever suggested that the desire to copulate anally might be written into a person's genetic code as an integral part of his being.

PMFJI, but couldn't your argument here apply equally as well to discrimination on the basis of religion? There are ex-Christians, ex-Jews, ex-atheists, etc.

31 posted on 11/07/2004 12:51:57 AM PST by jennyp (It was a dark and stormy night and the world was in crisis. As usual.)
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To: zarf

"Every one of these arguments was made during the civil rights era and eventually dismissed."

Actually, they weren't "dismissed." They were suppressed at gunpoint.

The fundamental flaw in your argument is that the constitution does not prohibit discrimination against **everything.**

It only prohibits discrimination against *some* things.

Same-sex attraction disorder is not, nor should it be, one of those things.

Constitutionally speaking, it is quite permissible to discriminate against SSAD sufferers in housing, education, employment, and access to public accomodations. And, in fact, that should be done.

If somebody wrongheadedly believes that to be improper, he needs to work for a constitutional amendment.


32 posted on 11/07/2004 12:56:44 AM PST by dsc (LIBERALS: If we weren't so darned civilized, there'd be a bounty on them.)
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To: jennyp

"PMFJI, but couldn't your argument here apply equally as well to discrimination on the basis of religion? There are ex-Christians, ex-Jews, ex-atheists, etc."

Even if it were, the free exercise of religion is constitutionally protected.


33 posted on 11/07/2004 12:57:48 AM PST by dsc (LIBERALS: If we weren't so darned civilized, there'd be a bounty on them.)
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To: NYer
Dangers of Same-Sex Couples Adopting Children - How about an exponential increase in the risk of getting molested, or, at least, growing up to be another disordered, sexually-disoriented freak.
34 posted on 11/07/2004 1:00:40 AM PST by broadsword (Weren't there a couple of giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? What happened to them?)
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To: usadave
According to what the federal constitution says, do you think the ban on polygamous marriages should continue or has the time come to legalize polygamous marriages and end the discrimination?

Do Mormons not have the right to have multiple partners?

35 posted on 11/07/2004 1:03:02 AM PST by zarf
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To: zarf; myvoice

Then you're both woefully ignorant of constitutional law. This doesn't mean that there aren't SC justices who would strike down the gay marriage bans for that very reason. These are activist judges, hell-bent on making law rather than interpreting law - the mind-set that resulted in abortion (the murder of a human being, remember) being decriminalized under Roe v. Wade. The architects of the Constitution have got to be spinning in their graves because of the way this noble document has been perverted. I dare say, not one of the signers would have put pen to that paper if it had actually, literally, proclaimed that women would be free to kill their babies in-utero, or protect homosexuals from social stigma.


36 posted on 11/07/2004 2:37:25 AM PST by torqemada ("Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!")
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To: the Real fifi

Being gay IS a psycological problem.


37 posted on 11/07/2004 3:08:32 AM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: zarf
I don't see how banning same sex marraige will stand the constitutional test

Easy.

There's no "right" to marry.

38 posted on 11/07/2004 4:47:45 AM PST by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: zarf
I don't see any difference between this issue or the racial civil rights issue.

I'm a heterosexual male.

Do I have a right to marry my mother? After all, we love each other. - NO.

Do I have a right to marry any of my sisters? After all, we love each other. - NO.

Do I have a right to marry either of my daughters? After all, we love each other. - NO.

We already accept many restrictions on who may marry. Marriage is not a right.

39 posted on 11/07/2004 4:54:12 AM PST by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: zarf
No, Mormons do NOT have the right to multiple partners.

Abandonment of that claim by the Mormon church was an explicit requirement for statehood.

This is not to say there are no polygamous Mormons, but they're not legal.

(as an aside, they're generally parasites, either forcing their wives to work to feed the kids, or on welfare)

40 posted on 11/07/2004 4:57:59 AM PST by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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