Posted on 11/05/2004 4:09:40 PM PST by SmithL
Yes they are, but you and I know that they came here with the blessing of the leaderships of both political parties.
I agree with you on that issue I love G.W.BUsh but his illegal citizen deal makes me mad since my mom had to obey all the laws to come here in 1960 everyone else should
The legal immigrants, and ones in the process, in AZ, are. I heard them on the talk shows very upset that INS and local police aren't doing enough. Thousands come over nightly. Tunnels have been found between Mexico and Douglas AZ where the illegals cross.
Houses in Phoenix have been located, mostly by neighbors who complain to the police that dozens of men are in them. Sure enough, when the police go they find 20 - 30 illegals. No furniture; trash and wrappings from fast food, etc.
The feeling is one of being overwhelmed.
Not only is it easier to come in illegally, but the benefits are better.
They're missing the word ILLEGAL in front of the word immigrants. IDIOTS!!
How about, "New immigrants send fear through Arizona community?"
God forbid taxpayers look out for their money (and jobs).
That's the way it should be everywhere in our country. California are you taking notes on Proposition 200?
I proudly voted yes on Prop. 200 and so did many of my Hispanic co-workers.
Before Arizona passed Prop 200, California passed Prop 187, by a 2-to-1 margin. One Judicial Activist overruled it. While campaigning for office, Gray Davis promised to defend the Proposition on appeal, but ignored his promise after being elected.
I dunno about that one. Can't the government just fire them if they neglect to report suspected illegals?
I'm not a legal scholar by any stretch, but circumstances put me fairly close to a lot of the people who did the actual work on Prop 200 and I was aware of every step in its birth.
First off, California's Prop 187 was killed by a single liberal judge and a governor who refused to defend it. There were also some flaws in 187 that made it very vulnerable to legal challenge. Therefore, the first thing done in crafting 200 was to analyze 187.
Several lessons emerged: Don't try to monkey with Federally mandated programs at State level. Don't try to mess with the State Constitution. Keep it simple and piggy-back off long-standing, existing State laws that have already passed legal muster. Prop 200 merely forces the politicians and bureaucrats to enforce existing State laws; it removes political expediency and bureaucrat discretion.
It took several months to come up with a good working draft. Several of our State legislators passed it to the Legislature's own legal counsel staff with instructions to test it to destruction against the Arizona Constitution and existing State law. A few tweaks were made following that review.
Next it was given to a couple of dozen of the best legal minds throughout the country, again to be tested to destruction, but this time against the U.S. Constitution and Federal law. This resulted in a couple more tweaks before running it as a ballot proposition.
Nothing is bullet proof in court, but Prop 200 is very well armored. Severability is written into it -- if some activist judge rules some part of it invalid, the remainder survives intact.
It is also well armed. Any ordinary citizen of Arizona can sue in court for its enforcement -- and the suit takes priority for hearing. This will be fun to watch as every legal challenge so far by the opposition has gone down in defeat.
Prop 200 had a few "unintended consequences". The least of its consequences was showing the lack of solidarity in the "Mexican-American" vote; the term is about as meaningful as "soccer moms". Some poli sci majors are learning that "hyphenated-Americans" still think independently and vote as individual Americans, and not as some easily labeled and faceless demographic block.
Prop 200 also exposed a number of Arizona RINOs and "corporate Republicans" to public scrutiny. Quite a few (13 out of 15 as I remember it) are seeking employment now as their bids for re-election didn't even survive the primaries. A number of true conservative groups were formed -- the RINO Hunters' Club and Pachyderm Coalition are good examples -- and they're not counting coup, they're collecting scalps.
"community"
Calif. passed Prop 187. It was appealed, and Gov Davis decided to not challenge the appeal.
That was among the many complaints with him. He's gone now, replaced by Arnold.
An often forgotten FACT is that the US federal government enacted many of Prop. 187 aspects.
I doubt how strenuously they are enforced. Enforcement falls to career government employees; among the largest contributors to political candidates for election.
So why would they desire to shrink the "plantation" size of their client base.
But if Arizona can pass it, it will again get challenged in court.
Another reason for Bush to get busy with federal judge appointments.
This is what I do not understand. How can the ACLU have a leg to stand on. These invaders are in this country illegally. What part of Prop 200 is illegal? How can these people be protected by our Constitution? How could a Fed Judge strike it down when by doing so would be such an obvious act of treason?
I have a lot of respect for your husband. He did things the right (legal) way.
...hehehehe...awesome post #72). Thanks for the information.
"Rino's Hunters Club....man, I just spewed coffee all over my desk.
Response: Good.
Comment: Hopefully, we have only just begun.
How soon before a traitorous Federal Judge overturns this law, as they did in California?
Save it?
Saving this country is exactly what some of us want, cyn, I'm sure you do to. Glad we're in agreement.
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