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Blame the Republicans? No, This Time It's the Christians
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Posted on 11/05/2004 11:19:00 AM PST by sonsofliberty2000

That's right. The Democrats have found an enemy, and this time they are aiming right at the heart of the "problem": Christians. Yes, fellow Christians, it is our fault that the Liberals cannot regain their place among the rest of the world, and they are spitting mad. Listen to this, from a columnist on Slate:

Here is how ignorance works: First, they put the fear of God into you-if you don't believe in the literal word of the Bible, you will burn in hell. Of course, the literal word of the Bible is tremendously contradictory, and so you must abdicate all critical thinking, and accept a simple but logical system of belief that is dangerous to question. A corollary to this point is that they make sure you understand that Satan resides in the toils and snares of complex thought and so it is best not try it.

Yet another, from Boing Boing:

Then, they would finally be free to have the kind of society they've always wanted; church and state can be fused so they build the kind of theocracy they've dreamt of, with Jesus at the helm. Then the new USAR (United States of America Red) can ban books, repeal civil rights, persecute gays and have all the wars they like. They want prayer in schools? More power to them. They can ban abortion and post the Ten Commandments in every federal building in their country. Bring back slavery, if they want. We'll be free to live with our like-minded countrymen who believe in science, modernism, tolerance, religion as a personal choice, and truly want limited government intrusion in our personal lives. Why should each side be driven mad by the other any more, decade after decade?

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But he told me the time would come when evolution would no longer be taught in U.S. public schools, that born-again Christians would rise up and stop the teaching of anything that contradicted the Holy Bible. And he believed it would start to happen in "years, not decades." I laughed.

Seven years later, in 1990, I was a reporter for a newspaper in northern San Diego County. And it was there I got to witness firsthand the "San Diego Surprise" -- no, not that one -- when 60 "stealth Christians" won seats throughout the county.

This was also the time of Operation Rescue, the San Diego-based anti-abortion group that managed to run off 40 of the county's 70 doctors who performed abortions while forcing the closure of a dozen or more "Planned Parenthood"-style operations in the area.

(I took part in one of Operation Rescue's raids on an abortion clinic, as a journalist. The fanatics met at a secluded parking lot miles away from the target site, in the pre-dawn hours, awaiting instructions and directions. And just as the medical office building opened, hundreds of born-agains swarmed inside. On both floors, there was literally no space to move. Packed like evangelical sardines. Locked inside the evil abortion mill were a few weeping young women, a doctor, his staff. In the halls, people were weeping too ... with joy. Some were "speaking in tongues," a sort of garbled jibberish they launch into when really excited. I remember one fat woman claiming she saw the face of Jesus in the sky, through the glass door. Like sports-betting lunatics, every mundane thing was a sign. The sun appears from behind a cloud. Hallelujah, He has blessed us! The cops turn off the power in the building, lights go out. Get behind thee, Satan! Incredible ....)

Why the hatred? Simple, its because there are people who in Christianity are hate mongers too. The guy above, Ken Layne, assumes all Christians who vote Bush are the same. Believe me, I'm against abortion, but I totally disagree with idiots storming abortion clinics,and feel the ones who bomb abortion clinics are lunatics also. My faith in Christ is not a way for me to express hatred at all liberals, or to bomb all infidels. Why the back lash? They don't understand us. They feel we hate all non-Christians, and are blinded by their hatred of something they fear or don't understand. The above was wrote in a backlash on this election. The left have found a scapegoat for this election, and it is not the policies of Bush, it is his faith in Christ, and we all are in the mix along with him.

Dean Esmay noted this fear:

This paranoid fear of the vast Christian Right bogeyman that's going to destroy freedom is one of the odder paranoid quirks of the left in this country (sort of like the right's incessant fear in the 1990s that the United Nations was going to abolish the Constitution). Yes, there are lunatics on the religious right, but every party has its lunatic elements.

Dean is right, but allow me to note the hallmark of a bigot is his inability is to distinguish the lunatics from the rest.

Don't beleive the hate is out there. Well, another liberal bigot put it this way:

Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?

We come to a point: We cannot profile a Muslim at the airport because he might feel bad, but we can stereotype and criticize Christians from sea to shining sea (and mostly in the red states in-between) for beliefs they might hold. Why are they allowed to say whatever they want about Christians, and still be called enlightened? Why are we allowed to feel hated, and to be slurred against and have no one on either side worry about our freedom of religion, or freedom from hate speech? Wasn't John Kerry and John Edwards visiting black CHRISTIAN churches during their campaign? I guess it is ok to use Christians for votes on the left, but when things go against them to throw them to the lions.

I take a look throughout the net to see who is championing my rights, and the rights of other Christians to be free from hatred. Civilrights.org's Religious Freedom page? No, they are attacking Bush's faith-based initiatives today, and have a banner up proclaiming Bush's choices of judges are all extremists. Certainly the ACLU (AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION) will stand up for me, right? I visit their Religious Liberty page and see the section I need: Religious Discrimination. Certainly they will understand. Nothing. Articles grace the page heralding a "backdoor attempt by some Members of Congress to permit tax-exempt religious organizations to engage in partisan political activities" and another "on behalf of Lubna Hussein, a Muslim woman who was told she must remove her religious garb in order to accompany her children at a municipal swimming pool" Worthy efforts sure, but how about defending my right to be free from, as they say:

assaults on the freedom to believe

I believe in Jesus Christ, and I have been called an ignorant fanatic. These are the some people who say I am a racist bigot for being a Christian. To the left our religion is a crutch, and proves we are ignorant. Personally my faith is not tied to whether they care, but this country was not founded so that in 2004 Christians can be told to go make their own country. Why? So they, the left, can be accepted by the world. I want no division between us and them. We should all be held in the same light as Americans. Our differences abound, however. The biggest difference between us is the way we try to change things and the way they try to change things. An example:

They want the right for gays to marry. They have the courts push it onto the populace. They have a mayor in San Francisco conduct illegal weddings. They push it onto the populace and expect us to accept it. We instead put it up to popular vote, and let the people decide. The will of the people triumph and they say we want a theocracy. I say they want a dictatorship, a big brother to tell us what is right or wrong for us.

So they hate us. I will allow the Bible to give my final word. How appropriate they might say:

And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

Mark 13:13



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To: HarleyD
I hope the evangelicals finally recognize the clout they have.

I think they already understood this. The main question is how this political clout comports with being a good Christian. While I understand how a Christian would not want to get his hands dirty in polical campaigning, I strongly disagree, as some claim, that a Christian should not vote. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". We are Caesar.

41 posted on 11/05/2004 12:13:53 PM PST by nosofar
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To: Syco
Take joy in our persecution.

Absolutely! But I gotta tell you, having the candidate for morality win this election is a whole new kind of joy for me.
42 posted on 11/05/2004 12:18:59 PM PST by so_real (It's all about sharing the Weather)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Of course the left hates and fears Christians..it also hates and fears the founding father's version of America

Lesbians, Pedophiles,Trial Lawyers,Union thugs,Organized Crime,Marxists, Islamo Fascists,Hollywoodites, Pornographers, Public School Teachers,Sodom and Gomorrahites dont want anyone to stop them from plying their trades or their vices

The Evangelicals are their greatest nightmare...they are organized...they meet at least once a week and are under no central authority...yet one church belives pretty much like another of its own kind and does so without a central committee to rule over it...

Like sleeper cells that never sleep....

Instead they take their orders from a little book they call the Bible...

The Romans tried to kill them off ...the Chi Coms the Soviets and now the Democrats...no one can kill off the Christians or stop them from worshipping Christ or from living and teaching their children the right way to live...

If a man being evil wants to blame anyone else for his own evil other than himself....he can never be cured...

A disease must be appropriately diagnosed before the correct cure can be implemented

If the dems want to really know what beat them there is a relatively simple explanation...but one must humble oneself before one can accept the truth...


"When a citizen gives his suffrage to a man of known immorality he abuses his trust; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but that of his neighbor, he betrays the interest of his country."
--Noah Webster


43 posted on 11/05/2004 12:25:42 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: MississippiMan
Yup, that time is indeed coming, although it won't be done by election and there's utterly nothing that writer or any other human can do to stop it.

But first comes the man of perdition, the world leader the liberals will line up behind like little ducks. Once in power they will slaughter their opposition with glee but bring down the roof on themselves. The fifth seal is the Martyrs. The sixth seal is the realization of their destruction. Revelations Chapter Six. Great stuff.

44 posted on 11/05/2004 12:32:41 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

"the literal word of the Bible is tremendously contradictory". Had a smart young man repeat the exact words to me one time. I handed him the bible and ask him to show me. Needless to say he couldn't and confessed as much.


45 posted on 11/05/2004 12:34:33 PM PST by usslsm51
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To: sonsofliberty2000; Alouette
Looking better all the time:


46 posted on 11/05/2004 12:39:02 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: American in Israel

You know, twenty years ago, I would read about predicted endtime events, and I had a hard time wrapping my mind around it. It seemed SO unlikely to me that the world would be so blind, so naive, so gullible as to fall for antichrist. Now I have NO problem envisioning it. The world in general, and around half the USA population, will fall in behind thinly veiled evil without a second thought. For evidence, see the UN. Or here at home, Clinton and Kerry. The clock is ticking.

MM


47 posted on 11/05/2004 12:46:45 PM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Election Reinforces U.S. Religious Divide
48 posted on 11/05/2004 12:46:48 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Liz

Thanks, Liz


49 posted on 11/05/2004 12:47:18 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MississippiMan

Agree with your summation.

But could it also be because we are getting older and wiser? LOL!


50 posted on 11/05/2004 12:49:01 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

When are we Christians going to take back Christmas from the ACLU?


51 posted on 11/05/2004 1:14:19 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: ColoCdn
Jane Smiley turned fifty just in time for the new millennium. She lives in California with her three children, three dogs, and her sixteen (and counting) horses.

Does this mean she's rich?

52 posted on 11/05/2004 1:23:12 PM PST by pray4liberty (Jesus has saved us! The Victory is the Lord's!)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

If Al Sharpton had been the candidate (or granted access to a microphone) he would tell America that it was THE JEWS who denied them the election.


53 posted on 11/05/2004 1:34:27 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
We'll be free to live with our like-minded countrymen who believe in science, modernism, tolerance, religion as a personal choice, and truly want limited government intrusion in our personal lives

This sounds more like the personal philosophy of a libertarian Republican than a "progressive" liberal.

54 posted on 11/05/2004 3:17:53 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Feynman Lives!)
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To: Luke
I think this vote represented the silent secular moral majority who voted out of fear of what might happen if Kerry was elected

I think you're correct. On the day before the election, my liberal colleagues in my department were gnashing their teeth over "undecideds"; how could anyone be undecided, they asked? It never occured to them that some people prefer to let the facts guide their politics instead of vice-versa, and the facts were stacked against Kerry.

55 posted on 11/05/2004 3:22:46 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Feynman Lives!)
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To: Alouette; SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; spectacularbid2003; Binyamin; ...
"There is a corresponding rabid hatred of religious Jews by secular, leftist Israelis."

Yes, ma'am, and as we have seen with our one "academic" friend of Mr. Pipes off site, not afraid to demonize and implicate and convict by association.

Regardless, this means we are having impact and making inroads; got 'em on the run. Have to keep on pushing forward!  !





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56 posted on 11/05/2004 4:49:14 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Salem

bump


57 posted on 11/05/2004 5:21:34 PM PST by sonsofliberty2000 (4 More Years!)
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To: Salem

>>"There is a corresponding rabid hatred of religious Jews by secular, leftist Israelis."<<

Amazing!
The same can be said for Traditional Catholics. As one lady said to me...
"Go to any parish and say this,
I am gay
I killed someone
I cheated on my husband
I lied
I stole
I spoke the Lord's name in vain
I am into porn
etc, etc
And they will have a ministry for you.

Say this...
I am a Traditional Catholic.

And they will not be able to kick your butt out the door fast enough!!!"


58 posted on 11/05/2004 6:58:23 PM PST by netmilsmom (Zell on DEM Christianity, "They can hum the tune, but can't sing the song.")
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To: Salem

Never give the enemy a chance to regroup. Keep hammering until they are crushed. Now I really don't like adopting this attitude, but If someone can provide an alternative I'm all ears!


59 posted on 11/06/2004 12:36:04 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Smell that? It's called a MANDATE!!!)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

The left has always been severely Christophobic. But yep, the results of this election have really gotten those juices stirred up again.


60 posted on 11/06/2004 12:37:32 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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