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Why They Won
NY Times ^ | November 5, 2004 | THOMAS FRANK

Posted on 11/04/2004 10:36:52 PM PST by neverdem

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Clueless!
1 posted on 11/04/2004 10:36:52 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
"The first thing Democrats must try to grasp as they cast their eyes over the smoking ruins of the election..."

Yes, what a wonderful sight it is.

2 posted on 11/04/2004 10:40:24 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: neverdem
The culture wars, in other words, are a way of framing the ever-powerful subject of social class. They are a way for Republicans to speak on behalf of the forgotten man without causing any problems for their core big-business constituency.

Yeh..... so where's the beef?

Republicans just wish everyone to start at the same line, but there shall be no guarantee that everyone finish together.

3 posted on 11/04/2004 10:41:09 PM PST by beyond the sea (ab9usa4uandme)
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To: neverdem
Why "they" won?
4 posted on 11/04/2004 10:41:35 PM PST by Bronzewound
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To: neverdem

This guy is actually pretty funny.


5 posted on 11/04/2004 10:42:14 PM PST by ProudVet77 (W stands for Winner)
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To: neverdem
The author is quoted in this priceless Times OpEd, Living Poor, Voting Rich.
6 posted on 11/04/2004 10:42:31 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

A lefty accusing the right of claiming "class victimization", that's rich... they sure don't get it...


7 posted on 11/04/2004 10:43:09 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: neverdem
two or four years from now when the conservative populists of the Red America, poorer and angrier than ever

"poorer and angrier than ever" -- The writer wishes............

More liberal BULL!

8 posted on 11/04/2004 10:43:26 PM PST by beyond the sea (ab9usa4uandme)
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*.... Spiro Agnew, accused liberals of twisting the news.

And they still are! LOL

*In nearly every election since, liberalism has been vilified as a flag-burning, treason-coddling, upper-class affectation.

Sounds about right.

*This year voters claimed to rank "values" as a more important issue than the economy and even the war in Iraq.

Liberals just don't get it. Personal values are an integral part of all issues, including the economy and the War in Iraq.

9 posted on 11/04/2004 10:44:29 PM PST by Reagan Man ("America has spoken")
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To: neverdem

This is absurd. I've seen a lot of articles like this today. They're worried sick that the Democrats might abandon their fringe liberal views and start looking into what's right for America.


10 posted on 11/04/2004 10:44:51 PM PST by Jaysun
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To: neverdem
has anyone listened to all the democRATS talking about how they are people of faith and they need to get that message out...LOL..i just about fell over when rahm emanuel started talking about how bubba clinton knows the bible and is a man of deep faith".

when asked by aaron brown of CNN who would carry this "faith message" for the democrats, Gov Ed Rendell (D-PA) said that "hillary clinton has grown as a political personality and a real leader"...again i about fell over...LOL

all of a sudden after decades of standing for the lefty lunatics and ANYTHING BUT TRUE FAITH VALUES, now these phonies are going to morph into church deacons. THIS WILL BE TOO FUNNY TO WATCH.....unreal

11 posted on 11/04/2004 10:45:47 PM PST by kingattax
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To: neverdem

I am envisioning a Jonestown type scenario among the liberal writers at the NY Slimes.


12 posted on 11/04/2004 10:47:22 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: neverdem
This guy's consistent -- what I read from him before was strangely insightful at times compared to most liberal dreck, but still clueless. He can make good observations, such as "And yet, Democrats still have no coherent framework for confronting this chronic complaint, much less understanding it."

Yet that very observation also applies to him as he proves in this article.

13 posted on 11/04/2004 10:47:24 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: neverdem

I'm with you on this one, neverdem.

The opening papargraph was good. But Mr. Frank falls quickly into the party-line Kultursmog of the Liberal Fever Swamps. He doesn't see, and doesn't want to see the forest through the trees!

No wonder is book isn't selling all that well.


Jack.


14 posted on 11/04/2004 10:47:54 PM PST by Jack Deth (When In Doubt.... Empty The Magazine!)
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declining even to criticize the president,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The New York Times is sick, sick, sick. They actually believe that they have been oh so soft on this President rhetorically.

The guy who wrote this knows better actually. But they have to prop up the left because its about the ideology. Save the status quo ideology now and try to deal with the blowback later.
15 posted on 11/04/2004 10:49:19 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: neverdem
its fury at the "liberal elite" undiminished by the Democrats' conciliatory gestures or the passage of time.

Conciliatory gestures!?!?!? WTF, Over! I couldn't read past this point and I usually pride myself in being able to slog through the worst demonrat dreck.

Conciliatory? Where has this idiot been? Pluto? It's clearly hopeless, they are simply too stupid to breathe.

16 posted on 11/04/2004 10:52:03 PM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force, dangit)
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...the Democrats' conciliatory gestures...

The writer probably forgot the filibustered judges, the accusations of Bush being a Hitler, a Nazi, a liar, blood for oil...

It's always fun to see the NY Times, who is one of the reasons the Libs lost, write articles about what went wrong without ever mentioning anything the NY Times did in that same list.


17 posted on 11/04/2004 10:53:13 PM PST by winner3000
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To: Jaysun

Excactly, right on the money. Moderate Dems aren't staying, they're moving the GOP. The liberal media and liberal politicians are caught in a spiraling death grip down the drain of irrelevancy.

Articles like this show that Liberals are still in denial (maybe they just don't have the courage to face a core reversal of that magnitude) and intend to fight to the death for their fantasy.


18 posted on 11/04/2004 10:53:48 PM PST by wvobiwan (Kerry/Edwards Foreign Policy Slogan: Accept our surrender or we'll sue!)
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Articles like this show that Liberals are still in denial

I used to agree with you. It must be denial. But I have changed my mind after listening to them hand wring for the last two days. They aren't in denial, they aren't smart enough to be in denial. Even denial presumes higher order mental functioning.

They spent so long smuggly refusing to judge so much that they are now incapable of coherent thought at all, and the only reason their delusion has lasted as long as it has was that there were enough of them to clump together and masturbate each other in the dark.

19 posted on 11/04/2004 11:00:04 PM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force, dangit)
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To: neverdem

Why in the world would any compassionate nation strive to have a "welfare state?" This is cruel and inhumane treatment. Our goal needs to be ZERO people on the government dole. The Democrats are afraid that all of these prisoners to welfare will be weaned off an become members in the ownership society rendering the Democratic party unnecessary.


20 posted on 11/04/2004 11:01:06 PM PST by elizabetty
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