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A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America
NY Times ^ | 04 November 2004 | Joseph Berger

Posted on 11/03/2004 7:39:23 PM PST by Lorianne

triking a characteristic New York pose near Lincoln Center yesterday, Beverly Camhe clutched three morning newspapers to her chest while balancing a large latte and talked about how disconsolate she was to realize that not only had her candidate, John Kerry, lost but that she and her city were so out of step with the rest of the country.

"Do you know how I described New York to my European friends?" she said. "New York is an island off the coast of Europe."

Like Ms. Camhe, a film producer, three of every four voters in New York City gave Mr. Kerry their vote, a starkly different choice than the rest of the nation. So they awoke yesterday with something of a woozy existential hangover and had to confront once again how much of a 51st State they are, different in their sensibilities, lifestyles and polyglot texture from most of America. The election seemed to reverse the perspective of the famous Saul Steinberg cartoon, with much of the land mass of America now in the foreground and New York a tiny, distant and irrelevant dot.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: kerry; nyc
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To: Lorianne
People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to gravitate toward cities.


61 posted on 11/03/2004 8:53:55 PM PST by Mentos
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To: Lorianne
Starbucks should have a special on disconsolatte !

That's good.

62 posted on 11/03/2004 8:55:12 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: philo
"New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say."

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Then why do they care what Europe thinks about them?

63 posted on 11/03/2004 8:56:39 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Lorianne
None of the people who are likely to be hit by a terrorist attack voted for Bush.

Is he that uninformed? Or is he simply so arrogant that to him the third plane doesn't count as "a terrorist attack?" As you noted, it hit the Pentagon, which is in Virginia, which voted for Bush - BOTH times.

64 posted on 11/03/2004 8:57:00 PM PST by StayAt HomeMother
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Without Philly, Bush would have won Pa.


65 posted on 11/03/2004 8:57:27 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: philo

Yeah, but put one of us "hillbillies" and a New Yorker out in the wilderness and see who survives.


66 posted on 11/03/2004 9:03:10 PM PST by weshess (I will stop hunting when the animals agree to quit jumping in front of my gun to commit suicide)
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To: okie01

I bet the gentlemen would find even Hillary too conservative to his taste? ;-)

Seriously speaking, urban professional rich middle-class-to-rich liberals is the dangerous lot. I don't worry much about average black/Hispanic/whoever Democrats and working class workers and farmers - they vote left but are not idelogical leftists. "Professionals" are different - they believe in socialism, post-modernism, cultural Marxism, secular material atheism to the point of faith. These are the same people who brought us gay marriage, GE food bans, organic food, "We-need-to-get-along" self-loathing mentaity. In Australia they call them "chardonnays" or short for "chardonnay socialists".

I got this article a few months ago that aptly describes this group:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1197319/posts

The suicide of the West (and affluent parts of East Asia) are all because of this group of leftists.


67 posted on 11/03/2004 9:03:20 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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To: TheLurkerX

"They're just a different breed. Like the platypus."

That's hilarious!


68 posted on 11/03/2004 9:04:05 PM PST by mplsconservative (Old media = lies. New media = truth.)
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To: FoxInSocks

Yeah, but they gave Kerry only 3 EVs, not 30.


69 posted on 11/03/2004 9:05:45 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: hispanarepublicana

You go girl!


70 posted on 11/03/2004 9:06:23 PM PST by gogipper
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To: hispanarepublicana

LOL! I think I'm in love.


71 posted on 11/03/2004 9:09:03 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: Lorianne
...but that she and her city were so out of step with the rest of the country.

Congratulations! Give that lady(?) a kewpie doll AND a cigar!

72 posted on 11/03/2004 9:09:46 PM PST by Morgan's Raider
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To: Lorianne
"I'm saddened by what I feel is the obtuseness and shortsightedness of a good part of the country - the heartland," Dr. Joseph said. "This kind of redneck, shoot-from-the-hip mentality and a very concrete interpretation of religion is prevalent in Bush country - in the heartland."

"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.

His friend, Ms. Cohn, a native of Wisconsin who deals in art, contended that New Yorkers were not as fooled by Mr. Bush's statements as other Americans might be. "New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say."

"They're very 1950's," she said of Midwesterners. "When I go back there, I feel I'm in a time warp."

What a bunch of elitest bass-turds! The assumption of ignorance (why do they always use the word "redneck"?)of anyone who didn't vote as they did is proof of their own lack of understanding. Further on in the article Dr. Joseph stated that people with greater skills go to big cities. WHAT A BUNCH OF HOOEY! Perhaps he didn't take into account the fact that many people enjoy living close to family and friends. Many choose not to go to the city because they don't want the ultra-high cost of living and the lifestyle of the city. That doesn't make the midwest ignorant, that makes us discerning.

73 posted on 11/03/2004 9:12:36 PM PST by I'm ALL Right! (Terrorists hate Bush - Any Questions?)
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To: TheLurkerX
Like the platypus.

That's my favorite word. Platypus. : )

Weird, I know...but then I was born in NYC....and lived & worked there for 5 years! Maybe that's why...Ugh! NEVER AGAIN!!! In the last election I was the ONLY person in my office to vote for W!! (at least the only one who would admit it, that is!)

74 posted on 11/03/2004 9:13:33 PM PST by blinachka
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To: FoxInSocks

When you have unthinking minority sheeples (educated and thinking blacks would not live there, I guess), coupled with the bureaucrat-diplomat-media complex I would be surprised if Bush got higher than this figure. (Remember the current crops of CIA and Dept of State people loathe him)


75 posted on 11/03/2004 9:14:23 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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To: Tribune7
Good point. I'm sick and tired of those pretentious morons.

Ms whatsherface is wrong about isolation, btw. When humans live packed together like cattle, they become dependent on each other in very negative ways.

76 posted on 11/03/2004 9:17:46 PM PST by jess35
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To: I'm ALL Right!

Further on in the article Dr. Joseph stated that people with greater skills go to big cities. WHAT A BUNCH OF HOOEY! Perhaps he didn't take into account the fact that many people enjoy living close to family and friends. Many choose not to go to the city because they don't want the ultra-high cost of living and the lifestyle of the city. That doesn't make the midwest ignorant, that makes us discerning.

Heck, in this age of intense economic competition, many of the Fortune 500 companies don't even have an office in New York. Besides, I like the 'burbs because I can enjoy the city amenities without the kooky social liberalism endemic in the city. I live in Auckland and live in a 'burb but I wouldn't dream of moving into inner city or ringer 'burbs with their liberal DINKs (double income no kids) yuppies.

77 posted on 11/03/2004 9:20:12 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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To: Lorianne

78 posted on 11/03/2004 9:20:40 PM PST by bootyist-monk (<--------------------- Republican Attack Machine)
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To: Lorianne

OMG are these people delusional. They'd be funny if they weren't so tragic.


79 posted on 11/03/2004 9:29:59 PM PST by McGavin999 (George Soros just learned a very expensive lesson-America can't be bought.)
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To: McGavin999
You're so right. I truly thought I was reading a satire or spoof until I realized the writer was accurately quoting real people.

May the saints preserve us from these elite weenies and brain-dead followers from both coasts who are trying to European-ize and feminize Middle America.

Leni

80 posted on 11/03/2004 9:41:30 PM PST by MinuteGal
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