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New Poll Shows Voter Doubts, Tight Race (W49, K46)
NY Times ^ | 10/31/04

Posted on 11/01/2004 1:48:34 AM PST by ambrose

The New York Times


October 31, 2004

New Poll Shows Voter Doubts, Tight Race

By ADAM NAGOURNEY and JANET ELDER

The nation is girding for Tuesday's presidential election doubtful about the integrity of the voting system, divided over the legitimacy of President Bush's election four years ago, and anxious about the future no matter who wins the contest, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.

A majority of voters - and an overwhelming number of African-Americans - say they do not have a lot of confidence their own votes will be counted properly, and one-third said they expect to encounter problems when they go to vote, the poll found.

The anxiety appears to be a legacy of the disputed election of 2000: half of respondents in this latest poll said they do not think Mr. Bush legitimately won the presidency in 2000. And this campaign between Mr. Bush and Senator John Kerry does not appear to have done much to burnish Americans' view of the way the country picks its president: 51 percent described it as the most negative presidential campaign in their memory.

Fittingly enough, this final pre-election Times/CBS News poll shows that the race between Mr. Bush and Senator John Kerry is not much different than it was in March, when Mr. Kerry emerged as his party's presumptive nominee: The president leads Mr. Kerry by a margin of 49 to 46 percent, a statistically insignificant difference.

The finding that underscores what both sides view as a basic tenet of this election: The winner on Tuesday will be the candidate who does the best job of turning out supporters.

In this environment, there were some glimmers of hope for Mr. Bush. At a time, when pollsters watch for evidence of campaign-ending movement, Mr. Bush's job approval rating has risen to 49 percent, an improvement over his 44 percent rating two weeks ago.

The public's view of his handling of foreign policy and the war in Iraq has also edged slightly upward. And there has been a slight increase in another measure that has been ominously low for Mr. Bush, the direction the country is heading in: 43 percent now think the country is heading in the right direction, compared with 37 percent two weeks ago.

Still, 55 percent of the nation says the country is heading in the wrong direction - and the overwhelming majority of those are planning to vote for Mr. Kerry. And in this, Mr. Bush has yet to have drawn the support of more than 50 percent of likely voters; from the start of this race, Mr. Kerry's advisers have argued that Mr. Bush could not win re-election unless he breaks the 50 percent mark, in the belief that Mr. Nader will be less of a factor than he was in 2000.

The nationwide telephone poll was taken Thursday through Saturday with 920 adults, including 824 registered voters. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points for the entire group, and four percentage point for registered voters.

Nine percent of respondents said they still might change their minds.

The most striking finding of this election eve poll was the extent to which the country remains divided, and apprehensive about a presidential election system that has clearly been tarnished by the 2000 presidential election.

Thirty-six percent of all respondents said they thought there would be a deliberate attempt in some states to prevent blacks from voting, at a time when Democrats have charged Republicans in Florida and other states with trying to discourage turnout among African-American. There is a clear racial divide on this issue: 79 percent of blacks said they expected such a deliberate effort, compared to 28 percent of white respondents.

Over all, just one-third of respondents said they had a lot of confidence that the votes for president will be counted properly this November; 44 percent said they had some confidence, while 21 percent said they had little or no confidence. And 29 percent said they were very or somewhat concerned that they will encounter problems at the voting booth that would prevent them for voting, or block their vote from being counted.

The poll also signaled the problems either Mr. Bush or Mr. Kerry will have in trying to govern such a divided nation after this election.: 52 percent said they were "scared" or "concerned" about what President Bush would do if re-elected; 54 percent said they were scared or concerned about what Mr. Kerry would do if he were elected.


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January 3, 2001

PRESIDENTIAL POLL PERFORMANCE 2000

The accuracy of the election projections based on the pre-election polls of 2000 was surpassed only by the polls of 1976 and 1960, according to a study release today by the National Council on Public Polls. This year's final polls had an average error of 1.1 percentage points on the estimates for George W. Bush and Al Gore. The error on the third place finisher, Ralph Nader, was 1.3 percentage points.

These results were based on the work of 10 polling organizations that used traditional methods for conducting their polls.

Poll Bush/Gore
Error
Nader
Error
Harris Poll 0.0% 2.0%
CBS News 0.5 1.0
IBD/CSM/Tipp 1.0 1.0
ICR/Politics Now 1.0 4.0
Gallup/CNN/USA Today 1.0 1.0
Pew Research 1.0 1.0
Zogby/Reuters 1.0 2.0
ABC News/Wash Post 1.5 0.0
NBC News/WSJ 1.5 0.0
Battleground 2.5 1.0
Average 1.1 1.3


1 posted on 11/01/2004 1:48:34 AM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose

NY Times actual raw data favors Bush quite nicely but don't count on them to tell you the truth.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/khtml/2004/10/31/politics/20041101_POLL_RESULTS.html


2 posted on 11/01/2004 2:03:07 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: ambrose

If it were K49-B46, the NY Times would be saying "Kerry pulling away" or "Kerry surges ahead!"


3 posted on 11/01/2004 2:11:44 AM PST by gop_gene
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To: CobaltBlue
52 percent said they were "scared" or "concerned" about what President Bush would do if re-elected; 54 percent said they were scared or concerned about what Mr. Kerry would do if he were elected.

I don't get this. Since the figures for Bush and Kerry are around 45-49%, it means there are many people who were "scared" or "concerned" with one candidate, yet will vote for him.

4 posted on 11/01/2004 2:22:04 AM PST by paudio (CLINTON BOMBED BELGRADE WITHOUT EVEN BOTHER GOING TO THE UN...)
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To: paudio

Well you might be "scared out of your mind" at what Kerry might do but only be "concerned" that Bush will continue to spend like Ted Kennedy on a bender.


5 posted on 11/01/2004 2:48:43 AM PST by newzjunkey (Keep crime down: NO on CA Prop 66. Pray for America and Vote BUSH!)
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To: newzjunkey

This is propaganda designed to set the stage for dem attorneys to challenge state election results.


6 posted on 11/01/2004 3:00:49 AM PST by FarmerW (Don't be a Koolaide drinker. We defeated the USSR, MSM is next.)
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To: ambrose
The president leads Mr. Kerry by a margin of 49 to 46 percent, a statistically insignificant difference.

To call it a statistically insignificant difference when it is right at the edge of the MOE is not especially wise. If the 2 extremes are Kerry up 3 or Bush up 3 with a 3.0 MOE, then this poll on the far edge of the pendulum rather than in the middle.

This poll consistently found Pres. Bush to be leading and to be leading at the extreme edge of the MOE. Likewise, many other polls are showing almost exactly the same thing.

The consistent reporting skewed in the direction of a Bush leads makes it possible to say that Bush is leading.

To turn the question around: If the lead at the edge of the MOE is actually insignificant, would we rather the Bush camp were in kerry's position, nearly every poll consistently saying you are down by 3%?

I wouldn't.

The lead is real.

A 3% lead equals in the neighborhood of 1.5 million potential votes.

7 posted on 11/01/2004 3:25:45 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: ambrose
Close?

If Kerry was up by three, all of the MSM would be grinning and joking.

By now they would have been asking the Bush campaign if they were ready for defeat in the face of being behind by millions in the popular vote.

Hah! I'll take that lead just fine,thank you.

Still think it comes down to Florida and Ohio.

When I see Ohio go for Bush, I'll know that it's over.
And I really don't care about any Rat legal challenges.
Smoke and mirrors.
8 posted on 11/01/2004 3:33:32 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: gop_gene

Or even more, "sKerrry undisputed winner".


9 posted on 11/01/2004 3:35:48 AM PST by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: meeps

Morning, meeps.

Our "love-bush" friend vanished.........!

This thread has been pulled.
Pulled on 11/01/2004 6:36:14 AM EST by Admin Moderator, reason:
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10 posted on 11/01/2004 3:37:59 AM PST by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: bwteim
Let's Get Out The Vote! 36 hours to VICTORY!
11 posted on 11/01/2004 3:38:16 AM PST by Chieftain (Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth: Go to www.stolenhonor.com)
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To: bwteim

Morning-

That's the first time I ever got a troll. That was loads of fun. It's the jammies and coffee. A great way to start the day!


12 posted on 11/01/2004 3:40:58 AM PST by meeps
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To: meeps

Nothing better than napalmed trolls in the morning, or something like that ;)


13 posted on 11/01/2004 3:43:15 AM PST by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: Chieftain
Let's Get Out The Vote!
36 + hours to VICTORY!


14 posted on 11/01/2004 3:46:08 AM PST by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: gop_gene
If it were K49-B46, the NY Times would be saying "Kerry pulling away" or "Kerry surges ahead!" President Kerry to win in a landslide.
15 posted on 11/01/2004 3:47:11 AM PST by Joe Miner
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To: ambrose
an overwhelming number of African-Americans - say they do not have a lot of confidence their own votes will be counted properly

Pander & Scare operation complete, Sen. sKerry


16 posted on 11/01/2004 4:51:39 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: bill1952
When I see Ohio go for Bush, I'll know that it's over.

I agree. There are ways to win without Ohio, but when Ohio goes Bush, it's over for Kerry. This is of course assuming a Florida win as well.

17 posted on 11/01/2004 4:56:55 AM PST by UsnDadof8 (Get out there and vote)
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To: ambrose

If polls favored Bush 80% to 20% for Kerry, the NYT would spin it to favor Kerry


18 posted on 11/01/2004 5:07:39 AM PST by nclady
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To: UsnDadof8

OH and FL are the key (like i needed to tell everyone that)
any word on latest polling?


19 posted on 11/01/2004 5:12:03 AM PST by DM1
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To: ambrose

Stick the poles where the sun don't shine.....


20 posted on 11/01/2004 6:24:59 AM PST by Stateline
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