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HEINLEIN Traveled On Many Levels
Philadelphia Inquirer (via philly.com) ^ | October 31, 2004 | Marc Schogol

Posted on 10/31/2004 8:57:04 PM PST by Lancey Howard

Reviewed by Marc Schogol

Glory Road By Robert A. Heinlein

If it weren't for 'Stranger in a Strange Land', Robert A. Heinlein probably would have been known only by science fiction buffs.

But with its out-of-this-world motifs, including a mind-melding, mind-bending communal lifestyle where everything - everything! - was free and shared, 1961's 'Stranger in a Strange Land' made Heinlein a Sixties counterculture icon.

The irony, as anyone familiar with Heinlein and his other works would have known, was that the late science fiction master's political and philosophical bent was very libertarian/anti-egalitarian. Like Jack Kerouac, who was never comfortable with his reputation as the spiritual father of the hippies, Heinlein (1907-1988) was not, and never wanted to be, a guru to the Woodstock generation.

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Originally published two years after 'Stranger', it ('Glory Road') has been considered a lightweight effort by many science fiction aficionados. But others loved it then and have found themselves enjoying periodic rereadings since.

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To: Lancey Howard

I would like to find a hard science fiction writer like Hal Clement.


101 posted on 10/31/2004 11:20:16 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Kerry thinks HO CHI MINH is like GEORGE WASHINGTON.)
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To: Lancey Howard
A bunch of his stories were published under 'Anson MacDonald'.

According to Heinlein there were two reasons for his using psuedonyms. First was that Campbell did not want to have more than one Heinlein story per issue in his magazine... and Heinlein was so prolific that he often had two or three stories published in the same issue... just under different names. Secondly, even the great Heinlein was occassionally got rejection notices from Campbell and those not-up-to-snuff stories got published elsewhere under a psuedonym.

102 posted on 10/31/2004 11:22:11 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: Swordmaker

That's interesting. As I edited the short stories list (post#88) I wondered why a great writer like Heinlein would use pseudonyms.


103 posted on 10/31/2004 11:26:27 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Drumbo
My favorite quote from Glory Road:

'Major Ian Hay, back in the "War to End War," described the structure of military organizations: Regardless of the T.O., all military bureaucracies consist of a Surprise Party Department, a Practical Joke Department, and a Fairy Godmother Department.'

You left out the most important part of that quote, which went INAIR "The Fariy Godmother cosistes of an elderly lady GS-9, who occasionally puts down her knitting, picks up a paper crossing her desk, and does something nice!"

God, how true that is!

104 posted on 10/31/2004 11:26:36 PM PST by Right Winged American (Nobody ever went broke underestimating the power of human stupidity. - L.L. (R. A. Heinlein))
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To: Right Winged American; Swordmaker

Leaving out part of the quote is the best way I know to get you folks talking about one of my favorite subjects! lol.

Several other favorite RAH pearls of wisdom:

"An insult is like a drink; it affects one only if accepted." - Her Wisdom Star, Glory Road

"Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw, Stranger In A Strange Land

"Success lies in achieving the top of the food chain." - Jubal Harshaw


105 posted on 10/31/2004 11:37:46 PM PST by Drumbo ("Of course I have an attitude, I spent my life beating things for a living." - Drumbo Thunder)
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To: Drumbo
Lets change that one a tiny bit

"Democracy can withstand anything but Democrats." - Jubal Harshaw, Stranger In A Strange Land

106 posted on 10/31/2004 11:40:14 PM PST by GeronL (FREE KERRY'S SCARY bumper sticker .......... http://www.kerrysscary.com/bumper_sticker.php)
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To: GeronL

D*mn, forgot that one. Had all Lazrus Long quotes in digital at one time, but lost them somewhere. My tagline, for instance, is from memory...


107 posted on 10/31/2004 11:43:39 PM PST by Right Winged American (Nobody ever went broke underestimating the power of human stupidity. - L.L. (R. A. Heinlein))
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To: Right Winged American

ping


108 posted on 10/31/2004 11:46:16 PM PST by TomSmedley (Technical writer)
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To: Right Winged American
John Petrie’s Collection of Robert A. Heinlein Quotes
109 posted on 10/31/2004 11:57:57 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Selected Nonfiction

"The Discovery of the Future" (Third World Science Fiction Convention Guest of Honor Speech) 1941
"How to Be a Politician" 1946 (Published as Take Back Your Government!, 1992)
"On the Writing of Speculative Fiction" 1947 "Where To?" 1950, updated versions 1966, 1973 aka "Pandora's Box"
"Ray Guns and Rocket Ships" 1952
"Tramp Royale" 1954 (Published 1993)
"The Third Millenium Opens" Amazing Stories, Apr 1956
"Science Fiction: Its Nature, Faults and Virtues" 1957
"The Future Revisited" (Sixteenth World Science Fiction Convention Guest of Honor Speech) 1961
"Channel Markers" (James V. Forrestal Graduation Lecture, Annapolis) 1973
"Larger than Life" 1979
"Spinoff" Omni, Mar 1980
"The Happy Days Ahead" 1980
"Grumbles from the Grave" 1989 (Virginia Heinlein, editor)


110 posted on 11/01/2004 12:02:32 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: flashbunny
Also, the book was also quite anti-UN in nature. It was only a hippie type book for those who weren't paying attention to the main points.

Those type of people never even come close to RAH's main points, in any of his books. They see only what they want to see, not what Heinlein wrote...

the infowarrior

111 posted on 11/01/2004 12:17:13 AM PST by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
But I always sort of prefered Moon Is a Harsh Mistress to Stranger....

Of all the Heinlein I've read, over the years, that is my personal perennial favorite (Moon), and a book I consider should be in any thinking person's library...

the infowarrior

112 posted on 11/01/2004 12:20:14 AM PST by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
But he has this strange thing about having sex with his mother.

Actually, the Lazarus Long attraction to Maureen isn't what people think it is. The role model for Maureen isn't his mother, but his wife of many years, his perpetual sounding board, and in his own description "all around genius", Virginia (right down to the red hair...)

the infowarrior

113 posted on 11/01/2004 12:24:30 AM PST by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
They just don't make 'em like Heinlien anymore-although I think Harry Turtledove comes close.

True, it has been Harry Turtledove, and perhaps David Drake, who have picked up the torch from Robert Heinlein. The reason is simple.

They, like Heinlein, write about things that are essentially timeless, they quirks, foibles, and greatness of the human spirit, particularly in how the spirit becomes forged by the relentless hammer blows of circumstance, against the anvil of adversity. They write of humanity, and their heros are "Everyman", whose sole defining difference from their fellows is how they handle whatever life has to throw at them, fall fair, or fall foul...

the infowarrior

114 posted on 11/01/2004 12:31:24 AM PST by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: humblegunner

Heinlein ping. . .


115 posted on 11/01/2004 12:32:37 AM PST by Flyer (Prosecute Vote Fraud! [68%])
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To: Steely Tom
How RAH would have loved the internet. It is better than his best predictions of how it would be.

Somewhere, his spirit lokks upon us, and smiles broadly, knowing he sowed his "seed" on fertile ground...

I don't think that he would have ever asked for more...

the infowarrior

116 posted on 11/01/2004 12:40:17 AM PST by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: infowarrior

Can you imagine RAH posting over at DU? Heh heh heh!


117 posted on 11/01/2004 12:46:42 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Vote for Kerry for your own security. I'm Osama Bin Laden and I approved this message.")
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
Can you imagine RAH posting over at DU? Heh heh heh!

Like us, he wouldn't bother.
But I bet he would have fun here.

118 posted on 11/01/2004 12:52:03 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: infowarrior

Alright, that's it....
All these great posts have forced me to rummage around in my attic for the Heinlein box. Think I'll start with 'Tunnel in the Sky', then move on to 'The Puppet Masters', 'The Door into Summer', 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress', 'The Day After Tomorrow', 'Time for the Stars'.... and then the rest.

However, I WILL leave my Tom Swift box up there.


119 posted on 11/01/2004 1:04:42 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
Can you imagine RAH posting over at DU? Heh heh heh!

Remembering well Heinlein's feeling about their ilk (don't forget he termed muggers "sidewalk socialists", or something to that effect), I could only imagine the fireworks, and chuckle broadly...

the infowarrior

120 posted on 11/01/2004 1:22:53 AM PST by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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