The True Story about John Kerry – from Viet Nam to Iraq

The last thing I want to do is spread rumors. I remembered something from the thread yesterday about someone high up asking them not to have the rally. It could have been someone that felt it would hurt Bush that the vets respect and so agreed not to have their event. You are right, Bush himself would never have contacted them and I hope you don't think I would imply their campaign would break the law like Kerry has with his 527's. I am going to bed before I get in anymore trouble. :)

No I am not a purist, but we don't need to eat each other and Bush at this stage of the game. Lots of lurkers, trolls and infiltrators have been on this site lately trying to depress the base.

Suck it up and wait until after the election. There are things about Bush I don't like and after the election I will be more than happy to discuss them in a public forum. Or if you would like freepmail me and we can have a discourse.

And BTW I agree with you about playing nice! I am tired of it tooooooo!

If I understand correctly, the info put out by poster "NavyChief" on the Swift Boat forum is not endorsed or supported by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

So relax. Bush winning the Presidency does not depend on this. Don't be narrow minded or shallow.

Oh, and welcome to FR

"No I am not a purist, but we don't need to eat each other and Bush at this stage of the game. Lots of lurkers, trolls and infiltrators have been on this site lately trying to depress the base"

What is the sign up date of the person you were replying to?

Signed up Sept. 14th. Lurked since '98. Saw the 100% purity flame wars that occurred back in '00 between the Brigadiers and those who supported Bush. Find it hard to believe so much antagonism when most here agree on 90% of the issues.

September 14, 2004

VVAW, FBI files and John Kerry, What I have found

1. “On September 30, 1971, Robert Malone, Chief of Police, University of Nevada, advised Kerry’s speech at the University was sponsored by the Associated Students of the University of Nevada, and that he was paid $1,200.00, including expenses for his appearance.” Kerry is paid for VVAW speeches, pg 25

2. VVAW pickets restaurant because owner refuses to serve long haired, barefoot and dirty veterans in his place of business. It is also noted that the organization encourages the use of narcotics. VVAW pickets restaurant, pg 28-29

3. VVAW distributes literature at an event that is used to collect intelligence on military tactics and methods in Vietnam. Considering the fact that the VVAW has meetings with the North Vietnam Communists and VVAW members travel to Moscow and Hanoi, this is a very serious matter. VVAW collects military intelligence concerning US tactics and methods in Vietnam War. Pg. 51-57

4. Joseph Urgo, Second Vice-President of VVAW is in North Vietnam August 13, 1971. VP of VVAW in North Vietnam, pg. 92

5. VVAW attorney was in North Vietnam on November 22,1970 and returned with letters from US POW’s. VVAW went to NV, pg. 96

6. Throughout this section of the FBI documents is a constant link between the VVAW’s activities and Communist groups or Communist front groups in the USA. Communist groups, pg. 86

7. VVAW shows a Communist propaganda film “entitled, ‘Evil Hour’, which depicted the effects of United States military actions on children in Vietnam..” Propaganda movie, pg. 101

8. Randy Floyd, President of the VVAW at the University of Texas. to speak in Oslo Norway concerning US war crimes in Vietnam. War crimes Oslo, Norway, pg. 115-116

9. FBI document reveals that, “all members of the VVAW who had traveled to Finland, Moscow, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), England…..” One of the VVAW members that traveled to Moscow had pictures attached to their mid-section of alleged atrocities in Indo-China, pg. 117-118

10. Speakers at a VVAW rally include Socialist/Communists advocating anti American propaganda. Communist groups speakers, pg. 132-139

11. Again the VVAW is using a Communist front organization of the Communist Party USA, in a rally, the YWLL. Communist groups, pg. 142

12. In reading the FBI files concerning John F. Kerry and the VVAW I find several instances where the VVAW is receiving money, directions, and non-monetary support from Communist Organizations in the USA, Europe, Soviet Union, France and Southeast Asia, as well as other countries. So, John Kerry worked for Communist Organizations attempting to overthrow the Government of the United States of America.

13. FBI Documents indicate that while John Kerry was with the VVAW, VVAW leaders met with KGB agents in the US. “VVAW collusion with foreign spies? “The Diplomatic List published by U.S. Department of State, in 1971 listed Grigoriy Sergeyvich Milhaylovskiy as an assistant Military Attache, Embassy of the U.S.S.R., Washington, D.C.”

14. Vietnam Veterans Against the War, John Kerry, FBI files Section 8 (Oct-Nov 1971)

15. Do the FBI Files concerning the VVAW (Kerry’s antiwar group) indicate a plot to assassinate Pres. Nixon?

16. John Kerry caused a fracture in VVAW for his own selfish goals (FBI Files reveal)

17. Kerry, Watergate: DNC Links Caused Break-in? (Kerry lied! Still with the VVAW after February 1972)

18. Lets watch the film of John Kerry and VVAW members throwing combat medals over the fence

19. Treat as Yellow – John Kerry’s VVAW coordinating with the North Vietnam Communist Government when US forces are under attack

20. VVAW leader meets with Communists to discuss tactics in the US antiwar movement. Kerry’s group!

21. Prior to “Dewey Canyon III” Mike Thelan East Coast Coordinator for the VVAW tells a gathering of possible attendants that the VVAW’s official position is not to encourage anyone to commit acts of violence, but that VVAW activists are not “discouraging someone from “doing it”. VVAW activists are not “discouraging someone from committing acts of violence, pg 4

22. FBI files indicate that “VVAW is under active investigation in view of indications of communist and other subversive infiltration”. indications of communist and other subversive infiltration, pg 24

23. Speaker at VVAW antiwar rally Carl Moore makes following statements, “President Nixon is a red baiting Fascist” and “the real problem is Capitalism. All power to the oppressed”. Speaker Carl Moore, pg 30

24. On stage to speak but did not speak at antiwar rally is one “Stanley “The Deacon” Alexander, member of Communist Party USA. Communist Party USA, pg 32

25. Tom Hayden speaking at antiwar rally uses the language of Jihad claiming “that Daniel Ellsberg and Anthony Russo are real Martyars”. Language of Jihad, pg 36

26. One speaker at the rally called for the “elimination of the penal system”. Penal system, pg 37

27. Speaker claims at the rally that, “ the ideal form of government is socialism as it exists in Cuba.” ideal form of government is socialism, pg 38

28. Speeches were given at rally advocating the release of Angela Davis, a self-admitted member of the Communist Party, and facing murder and kidnapping charges. The United Committee to Free Angela Davis founded by CPUSA, (Communist Party USA). Also note at bottom of page the desire to “increase welfare payments. CPUSA, pg 39

29. The VVAW has the SDS and the YSA, Young Socialist Alliance at demonstration. SDS and YSA working with VVAW, pg 69

30. Again we find the VVAW working hand in hand with Communists and Communist front groups. VVAW works with Communists, pg 75-80

31. Membership in the VVAW placed at about 8,500 members nationally. How many Vietnam vets were in the US at this time? And because they did not speak out against the VVAW we all know what happened. VVAW membership numbers, pg 81

32. Read the FBI report concerning a speech given by John Kerry at the University of Nevada, September 30, 1971. Kerry states in this speech, “My ten years of political consciousness in America is very wrapped up in gravestones……the men of Attica and the other 53,000 brothers in Vietnam?. John Kerry speech, pg 86-87

33. An antiwar group (CPPTC) working with the VVAW had also traveled to Hanoi in late 1970 to meet with Communists. People to people peace treaty with North Vietnam, pg 104

34. More support from Communist groups for the VVAW. Communist support, top of pg 111

35. We ask why Senator John Kerry votes against defense and intelligence spending, here may be the answer. page 142, item 2

36. The Black Militant Group in Cairo Illinois that the VVAW has been supplying with food, clothing and guns attacks the local police. Armed Negros Attack Police, these several pages are a must read. Note that in the November 1971 VVAW meeting it is discussed that VVAW supplied the weapons to this Black Militant GroupBlack Militant Group attacks police, pgs 168 – 171The first article you can’t read but follow to the next two articles.

37. VVAW stated goals are to number 9. “To affirm that the membership is not only concerned with ending the war, but changing the domestic, social, political, and economic institutions that have caused and permitted the continuance of war”. The Socialist/Communist agenda, pg 181, item 9

38. VVAW paper identifies John Kerry as “National Spokesman for VVAW. John Kerry Identified as national spokesman, pg 183

39. VVAW collusion with foreign spies? “The Diplomatic List published by U.S. Department of State, in 1971 listed Grigoriy Sergeyvich Milhaylovskiy as an assistant Military Attache, Embassy of the U.S.S>R., Washington, D.C.” VVAW meets with Soviet KGB spy, pg 184-185

40. Back to the future, read John Kerry’s statement to a news paper concerning the Vietnam War, I’ll bet it sounds familiar. “”We are here because we, above all others, have earned the right to criticize the was in South-east Asia. We are here to say that it is not patriotism to ask Americans to die for a mistake and that it is not Patriotic to allow a President to talk about not being the first President to lose a war…..”. Kerry’s speech than sounds like Kerry’s speech now, pg 247

41. Read in the FBI files where John Kerry states, “Ho Chi Minh is the George Washington of Vietnam. Ho studied the United States Constitution and wants to install the same provisions into the Government of Vietnam,” Kerry speaks, pg 248

Another reason for not having a rally is the phase of the campaign right now is getting out the vote. This is done by calling and meeting individuals. If the volunteer pool is attending a rally in DC it makes it kind of tough.

I was just listening to the Saturday night Rusty Humphrey show and he had Jerome Corsi on, co-author of "Unfit for Command" on. He was telling about the two documents found in the Texas Tek Vietnam museum.

LINKS TO DOCUMENTS SHOWING JOHN KERRY WAS A TRAITOR

First Document

Second Document

Seven Point Peace Plan

Yes I have seen those and the FBI files back them up, which we have been posting here for months.

"Yes I have seen those and the FBI files back them up, which we have been posting here for months."

What have you been posting for months.? FBI files?

These 2 documents according to Corsi were just received Friday.

My research concerning the FBi files and Kerry:

VVAW, FBI files and John Kerry, What I have found

1. “On September 30, 1971, Robert Malone, Chief of Police, University of Nevada, advised Kerry’s speech at the University was sponsored by the Associated Students of the University of Nevada, and that he was paid $1,200.00, including expenses for his appearance.” Kerry is paid for VVAW speeches, pg 25

2. VVAW pickets restaurant because owner refuses to serve long haired, barefoot and dirty veterans in his place of business. It is also noted that the organization encourages the use of narcotics. VVAW pickets restaurant, pg 28-29

3. VVAW distributes literature at an event that is used to collect intelligence on military tactics and methods in Vietnam. Considering the fact that the VVAW has meetings with the North Vietnam Communists and VVAW members travel to Moscow and Hanoi, this is a very serious matter. VVAW collects military intelligence concerning US tactics and methods in Vietnam War. Pg. 51-57

4. Joseph Urgo, Second Vice-President of VVAW is in North Vietnam August 13, 1971. VP of VVAW in North Vietnam, pg. 92

5. VVAW attorney was in North Vietnam on November 22,1970 and returned with letters from US POW’s. VVAW went to NV, pg. 96

6. Throughout this section of the FBI documents is a constant link between the VVAW’s activities and Communist groups or Communist front groups in the USA. Communist groups, pg. 86

7. VVAW shows a Communist propaganda film “entitled, ‘Evil Hour’, which depicted the effects of United States military actions on children in Vietnam..” Propaganda movie, pg. 101

8. Randy Floyd, President of the VVAW at the University of Texas. to speak in Oslo Norway concerning US war crimes in Vietnam. War crimes Oslo, Norway, pg. 115-116

9. FBI document reveals that, “all members of the VVAW who had traveled to Finland, Moscow, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), England…..” One of the VVAW members that traveled to Moscow had pictures attached to their mid-section of alleged atrocities in Indo-China, pg. 117-118

10. Speakers at a VVAW rally include Socialist/Communists advocating anti American propaganda. Communist groups speakers, pg. 132-139

11. Again the VVAW is using a Communist front organization of the Communist Party USA, in a rally, the YWLL. Communist groups, pg. 142

12. In reading the FBI files concerning John F. Kerry and the VVAW I find several instances where the VVAW is receiving money, directions, and non-monetary support from Communist Organizations in the USA, Europe, Soviet Union, France and Southeast Asia, as well as other countries. So, John Kerry worked for Communist Organizations attempting to overthrow the Government of the United States of America.

13. FBI Documents indicate that while John Kerry was with the VVAW, VVAW leaders met with KGB agents in the US. “VVAW collusion with foreign spies? “The Diplomatic List published by U.S. Department of State, in 1971 listed Grigoriy Sergeyvich Milhaylovskiy as an assistant Military Attache, Embassy of the U.S.S.R., Washington, D.C.”

14. Vietnam Veterans Against the War, John Kerry, FBI files Section 8 (Oct-Nov 1971)

15. Do the FBI Files concerning the VVAW (Kerry’s antiwar group) indicate a plot to assassinate Pres. Nixon?

16. John Kerry caused a fracture in VVAW for his own selfish goals (FBI Files reveal)

17. Kerry, Watergate: DNC Links Caused Break-in? (Kerry lied! Still with the VVAW after February 1972)

18. Lets watch the film of John Kerry and VVAW members throwing combat medals over the fence

19. Treat as Yellow – John Kerry’s VVAW coordinating with the North Vietnam Communist Government when US forces are under attack

20. VVAW leader meets with Communists to discuss tactics in the US antiwar movement. Kerry’s group!

21. Prior to “Dewey Canyon III” Mike Thelan East Coast Coordinator for the VVAW tells a gathering of possible attendants that the VVAW’s official position is not to encourage anyone to commit acts of violence, but that VVAW activists are not “discouraging someone from “doing it”. VVAW activists are not “discouraging someone from committing acts of violence, pg 4

22. FBI files indicate that “VVAW is under active investigation in view of indications of communist and other subversive infiltration”. indications of communist and other subversive infiltration, pg 24

23. Speaker at VVAW antiwar rally Carl Moore makes following statements, “President Nixon is a red baiting Fascist” and “the real problem is Capitalism. All power to the oppressed”. Speaker Carl Moore, pg 30

24. On stage to speak but did not speak at antiwar rally is one “Stanley “The Deacon” Alexander, member of Communist Party USA. Communist Party USA, pg 32

25. Tom Hayden speaking at antiwar rally uses the language of Jihad claiming “that Daniel Ellsberg and Anthony Russo are real Martyars”. Language of Jihad, pg 36

26. One speaker at the rally called for the “elimination of the penal system”. Penal system, pg 37

27. Speaker claims at the rally that, “ the ideal form of government is socialism as it exists in Cuba.” ideal form of government is socialism, pg 38

28. Speeches were given at rally advocating the release of Angela Davis, a self-admitted member of the Communist Party, and facing murder and kidnapping charges. The United Committee to Free Angela Davis founded by CPUSA, (Communist Party USA). Also note at bottom of page the desire to “increase welfare payments. CPUSA, pg 39

29. The VVAW has the SDS and the YSA, Young Socialist Alliance at demonstration. SDS and YSA working with VVAW, pg 69

30. Again we find the VVAW working hand in hand with Communists and Communist front groups. VVAW works with Communists, pg 75-80

31. Membership in the VVAW placed at about 8,500 members nationally. How many Vietnam vets were in the US at this time? And because they did not speak out against the VVAW we all know what happened. VVAW membership numbers, pg 81

32. Read the FBI report concerning a speech given by John Kerry at the University of Nevada, September 30, 1971. Kerry states in this speech, “My ten years of political consciousness in America is very wrapped up in gravestones……the men of Attica and the other 53,000 brothers in Vietnam?. John Kerry speech, pg 86-87

33. An antiwar group (CPPTC) working with the VVAW had also traveled to Hanoi in late 1970 to meet with Communists. People to people peace treaty with North Vietnam, pg 104

34. More support from Communist groups for the VVAW. Communist support, top of pg 111

35. We ask why Senator John Kerry votes against defense and intelligence spending, here may be the answer. page 142, item 2

36. The Black Militant Group in Cairo Illinois that the VVAW has been supplying with food, clothing and guns attacks the local police. Armed Negros Attack Police, these several pages are a must read. Note that in the November 1971 VVAW meeting it is discussed that VVAW supplied the weapons to this Black Militant GroupBlack Militant Group attacks police, pgs 168 – 171The first article you can’t read but follow to the next two articles.

37. VVAW stated goals are to number 9. “To affirm that the membership is not only concerned with ending the war, but changing the domestic, social, political, and economic institutions that have caused and permitted the continuance of war”. The Socialist/Communist agenda, pg 181, item 9

38. VVAW paper identifies John Kerry as “National Spokesman for VVAW. John Kerry Identified as national spokesman, pg 183

39. VVAW collusion with foreign spies? “The Diplomatic List published by U.S. Department of State, in 1971 listed Grigoriy Sergeyvich Milhaylovskiy as an assistant Military Attache, Embassy of the U.S.S>R., Washington, D.C.” VVAW meets with Soviet KGB spy, pg 184-185

40. Back to the future, read John Kerry’s statement to a news paper concerning the Vietnam War, I’ll bet it sounds familiar. “”We are here because we, above all others, have earned the right to criticize the was in South-east Asia. We are here to say that it is not patriotism to ask Americans to die for a mistake and that it is not Patriotic to allow a President to talk about not being the first President to lose a war…..”. Kerry’s speech than sounds like Kerry’s speech now, pg 247

41. Read in the FBI files where John Kerry states, “Ho Chi Minh is the George Washington of Vietnam. Ho studied the United States Constitution and wants to install the same provisions into the Government of Vietnam,” Kerry speaks, pg 248

TROLL & DUer ALERT:

SEE POST 7 Above From stockpirate & Compare to Post on Another Thread of Mine Today:

What We Don't Say for the Sake of Civility (KERRY'S "OTHER THAN HONORABLE DISCHARGE")

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1263539/posts

To: upyours53

To post so much total BS is sad for you. You expose a very basic misconception as to the makeup of people. No group of any people are all of anything.

Therefore most of what you say about liberals is massive BS.

There are Republicans and Conservitives with chacter traits every bit as bad as the list to assign to Liberals.

How many republicans have gone to prison?

This post is not a very good post this close to the election, it has too much BS that the Liberals believe that Republicans believe about liberals and makes me wonder about your goals here considering you aa new here.

I for one wish the Mods would pull the thread!

7 posted on 10/31/2004 5:07:40 AM PST by stockpirate

COMPARE THAT TO POST 23 ABOVE

To: peyton randolph

And BTW I agree with you about playing nice! I am tired of it tooooooo!

23 posted on 10/31/2004 4:12:21 AM PST by stockpirate Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)

Get a grip and quit blaming GW for the cancellation.

That came down from the leaders of the Swift Vets. They don't answer to GW. They are doing what is right for this country. They had good reasons not to do this, and we will probably find out why after the election if not before.

. I remembered something from the thread yesterday about someone high up asking them not to have the rally.

Navy Chief Announces: NO ANTI-KERRY RALLY IN D.C. TOMORROW (10/31/04)

"What about the canceled rally? Why is truth being suppressed on that front? Afraid to hurt MSM feelings? Will Dan Rather not like us?"

Many, many of us, like you, are aware of the probability of "less than honorable" or "dishonorable" discharge for John F. Kerry. Many, many of us are either A) Nam vets B)Family/friends of Nam vets C)Smart people who know Kerry is not qualified to lead this country and are anxious for the TRUTH to be spread worldwide!!!!

The SwiftBoatVets/POW's for Truth have been so successful because they have presented every last bit of irrefutable information they have in a logical, calm and methodical way that has all but cut Kerry off at the knees. Heck, O'Neill is an attorney and Corsi has a PhD.....these guys are sharp, together, and, in O'Neill's case, has been arguing against Kerry, BASED ON THE EVIDENCE, for 30+ years!!!!............

Point is, these guys KNOW what they are doing and WHY they are doing it...........Kerry's day of reckoning is coming, SOON! Just not today..........but this info. would all but guar-an-tee his crash and burn on Nov. 2. BUT, I think he'll crash and burn anyway................think positive, sit back, enjoy the show and revenge will be sweet after GWB is elected!!

Oh yeah.....make sure you vote!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice collection. Too bad the RNC decided to ignore it all?

BTTT