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Bush, Kerry Spar Over Bin Laden Video (Kerry calls 9/11 a "raid")
AP ^ | Oct 29 | MARY DALRYMPLE and TERENCE HUNT

Posted on 10/30/2004 11:56:51 AM PDT by ellery

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) - John Kerry criticized President Bush on Friday for failing to capture Osama bin Laden as a new videotape of the terrorist leader surfaced just before the election. Bush accused the Democrat of "shameful" second-guessing in the face of threats by America's deadly foe.

The broadcast of the bin Laden tape jolted the campaign's closing days, accentuating the terrorism theme with a reminder of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and Kerry revived his contention that Bush missed an opportunity to capture or kill bin Laden during the Afghan war.

"I believe I can run a more effective war on terror than George Bush," Kerry asserted.

Bush told an Ohio rally: "My opponent continues to say things he knows are not true." He said, "It's especially shameful in light of the new tape from America's enemy."

Bush and Kerry both made hurried TV appearances after the tape emerged.

"Let me make this very clear," Bush said in Toledo, Ohio, standing next to Air Force One. "Americans will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our country. I'm sure Senator Kerry agrees with this."

Kerry, too, said, "My reaction is that all of us ... are completely united." But he criticized Bush for not capturing bin Laden earlier, and he added pointedly, "I believe I can run a more effective war on terror than George Bush."

Kerry has asserted throughout the campaign that U.S. forces could have run down bin Laden in the Tora Bora mountains in late 2001 if they had gone after him on the ground, and he has blamed Bush for the decision to let Afghan forces lead that chase.

"He didn't choose to use American forces to hunt down Osama bin Laden," Kerry said in an interview with WISN in Milwaukee. "He outsourced the job."

Bush responded, at a rally in Columbus, Ohio: "It's the worst kind of Monday-morning quarterbacking," and he quoted his Afghan war commander, the now-retired Gen. Tommy Franks, as saying intelligence reports at the time were unclear about bin Laden's whereabouts.

Kerry's account "does not square with reality," Bush said.

It was unclear what if any impact bin Laden hoped to have on the U.S. election. While Bush vowed four years ago to get bin Laden "dead or alive," he now rarely mentions the terrorist leader, speaking mostly about deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, blamed for beheadings and other violence in Iraq.

On the videotape, aired by the Arab television station Al-Jazeera, bin Laden addresses Americans: "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands."

Bush said intelligence officials continued to analyze the tape. The administration said it believed the tape was authentic and had been made recently.

The president said, "We are at war with these terrorists and I am confident that we will prevail."

"As Americans, we are absolutely united in our determination to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden and the terrorists," Kerry said in Florida, standing next to his campaign plane. "They are barbarians, and I will stop at absolutely nothing to hunt down, capture or kill the terrorists wherever they are, whatever it takes, period.

But he went on, in the radio interview, to question Bush's judgment in the Tora Bora chase and to say he would do a better job keeping the United States safe.

"Democrat, Republican, there's no such thing," Kerry said. "There's just America and we are all united in hunting down and capturing or killing those who conducted that raid and we always knew that that was Osama bin Laden."

"My policy is there's no such thing as negotiation with terrorists," the Democratic candidate said. "And terrorists, terrorism are going to be hunted down and killed, we are united on that."

"I am absolutely confident I have the ability to make America safer," he said.

Americans are divided on whether bin Laden is likely to be captured - ever. Four in 10 say no. People are also split on whether it is essential to capture him to successfully conclude the war on terrorism.

Bin Laden's remarks quickly overshadowed the scripted campaign events of the day for both the president and his Democratic rival, injecting new uncertainty into a race already difficult to predict.

With Bush and his wife Laura behind him on the stage in Ohio, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger told the spirited rally that the president was is "defending this country with all his heart and soul."

"America is back," he said. "America's back from the attack on our homeland, we are back from the attack on our economy, and we are back from the attack on our own way of life."

Increasingly, both sides have turned their attention to mobilizing for Election Day, hoping that intense voter registration drives would swell Tuesday's turnout to record levels. In Ohio, Republicans lost a court appeal to block tens of thousands of voter registrations.

Candidates for 34 Senate seats and all 435 House seats campaigned through the final few days of their races, as well. Republicans are favored to retain their majority in the House. Aides to Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle in South Dakota said they had identified all of the estimated 10,000 undecided voters in his state by name, underscoring the closeness of his campaign for re-election.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: kerry; napalminthemorning; obltape; wot
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To: AM2000
It's a very old style of warfare.. it harks back to more barbaric times.

Which is exactly where these terrorists want to take us.

61 posted on 10/30/2004 1:07:27 PM PDT by cgk (I'll keep posting it until you READ IT. Pay attention!)
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To: AM2000

Disagree, for two reasons. First, "raid" commonly connotes something other than a catastrophic mass murder (e.g., gambling den raid).

Second, and more important, his use of the term illustrates his law-enforcement focus -- i.e., according to Kerry, we're not in an ongoing WAR for our survival...we're just looking to punish the people behind a single "raid."


62 posted on 10/30/2004 1:07:58 PM PDT by ellery (Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: PullingToTheRight

Hear, hear!

I couldn't believe Kerry used the word "barbaric" in his response to the UBL tape. If I was Rove, I'd have an ad out tomorrow with the clip Kerry using the term "barbaric" in reference to UBL, followed immediately by his 1971 testimony when he said Americans were barbaric, acting in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan. Then voiceover, "When you call them barbaric, Senator, which side do you mean?"


63 posted on 10/30/2004 1:08:39 PM PDT by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: crazyhorse691

I live in NJ, very close to where the towers stood. I understand the 'emotional impact' of the attacks very well. Calling it a raid, to me at least, in no way takes away from the emotional impact of the actual events of that day.


64 posted on 10/30/2004 1:09:16 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: ellery
The Navy called the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor a 'raid'.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1262875/posts?page=31#31

65 posted on 10/30/2004 1:11:12 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: ellery
Second, and more important, his use of the term illustrates his law-enforcement focus -- i.e., according to Kerry, we're not in an ongoing WAR for our survival...we're just looking to punish the people behind a single "raid."

Have to respectfully disagree, Ellery. As a former infantryman, a raid is a very typical tactical mission given to small (company and below) units. Also, I think the famous "Thunder Runs" through Baghdad were tasked as raids. As I posted earlier, Army doctrine calls a raid an attack with a planned withdrawal, ie, no intent of holding captured territory. The general public may think of "raids" in law enforcement terms, but I can assure you the military doesn't.

Now, having said all this, Kerry's still a dirtball and President Bush is STILL going to win. FOUR MORE!

66 posted on 10/30/2004 1:11:44 PM PDT by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: cgk

Yeap. Which would change our society completely but I bet we'd still kick our asses.


67 posted on 10/30/2004 1:12:04 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: PullingToTheRight
You are so right. My apologies for running amuck down the wrong alley. Bin Laden and his ilk are the enemies and must be destroyed. President Bush will destroy them. Kerry will accommodate them.
68 posted on 10/30/2004 1:12:11 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: AM2000

I mean their asses :-D


69 posted on 10/30/2004 1:12:40 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: PullingToTheRight

My assessment of the facts of the tape are quite different... if you'd like to read them, they're here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1262100/posts?page=35#35

I'll tell you, I know reasonable people can agree to disagree and all that... but it's a strange thing to think this way. And even stranger to hear Mansoor Ijaz say exactly what I thought on Greta last night.

I'll add that my own analysis (I'm no expert) comes from Bin Laden's own statement here, made in his Dec 2001 video: http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ubl-video.html

Excerpt: UBL: "Some of them said that in Holland, at one of the centers, the number of people who accepted Islam during the days that followed the operations were more than the people who accepted Islam in the last eleven years. I heard someone on Islamic radio who owns a school in America say: 'We don’t have time to keep up with the demands of those who are asking about Islamic books to learn about Islam.'This event made people think (about true Islam) which benefited Islam greatly."


70 posted on 10/30/2004 1:14:10 PM PDT by cgk (I'll keep posting it until you READ IT. Pay attention!)
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To: ellery
"As Americans, we are absolutely united in our determination to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden and the terrorists," Kerry said in Florida, standing next to his campaign plane. "They are barbarians, and I will stop at absolutely nothing to hunt down, capture or kill the terrorists wherever they are, whatever it takes, period.

Here are my immediate impressions of Kerry's statement. I was immediately struck by the way he seemed to differentiate between Bin Laden and the "terrorists."
Did anyone else catch this? When you read the statement it is not as clear. However, when he is saying it there is a definite distinction in his tone of voice.

71 posted on 10/30/2004 1:14:20 PM PDT by alexandria
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To: AM2000

:) I knew what you meant... unless you were talking about kicking our own a$$es should Kerry win.

(cough)


72 posted on 10/30/2004 1:21:49 PM PDT by cgk (I'll keep posting it until you READ IT. Pay attention!)
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To: Tragically Single; AM2000
I see what you mean about the technical definition of "raid." However, when discussing WWII, did FDR speak in terms of tracking down the perps of a single raid? Or did he speak in terms of winning the larger war? Shouldn't the CIC be talking about the war, rather than an individual "raid?" In my mind, he should -- unless he doesn't believe we're at war at all.
73 posted on 10/30/2004 1:24:01 PM PDT by ellery (Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: ellery
Pearl Harbor attack: 2395 killed, 1178 wounded

911 "raid": 3338+ killed, 3000+ wounded

Kerry's rhetoric on this doesn't pass the smell test. Americans know it. It doesn't help his campaign... one can only hope he keeps it up and that his potential supports are paying attention.

74 posted on 10/30/2004 1:26:19 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: AM2000
I bet we'd still kick our asses

That's the real reason I'm against cloning. I'd be the first guy in jail for whuppin' my own ass.

75 posted on 10/30/2004 1:26:33 PM PDT by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: ellery
What burns me up and strengthens my desire to vote for G.W. Bush is this: sKerry who has no definitive positive solution for American problems is ALWAYS criticizing the President

I'd be a fool if I voted for sKerry.

76 posted on 10/30/2004 1:26:46 PM PDT by GOPologist
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To: UCANSEE2
Bush involved our allies who knew every inch of the land in the hunt for Bin Laden. When Kerry talks about allies' noble efforts, he's quick to use the derrogatory term "outsource" and seems to find every occasion to denigrate the countries that've put forth men and matériel to help us.

Kerry even sent his sister to Australia to try to oust their leader who helped us in Afghanistan and Iraq, bad-mouthing the current government, saying our their help made Australians less, not more safe.

Qerri is an abomination.

HF

77 posted on 10/30/2004 1:26:50 PM PDT by holden
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To: ellery

I agree entirely. Kerry still sees terrorism as a September 10th law enforcement operation.


78 posted on 10/30/2004 1:28:02 PM PDT by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: cgk; All
Bump cgk's post #7!
79 posted on 10/30/2004 1:32:34 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: ellery
"I believe I can run a more effective war on terror than George Bush," Kerry asserted.

I wouldn't trust you to run water.

80 posted on 10/30/2004 1:35:12 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (George W. Bush -- The Terror of the Terrorists)
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