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The Electoral College (along with the way the Senate/House were elected in the US Constitution as it was originally written) were strokes of absolute geniuse by the founding fathers. To abandon it would be the height of idiocy and would bring us under mob rule (otherwise known as McCauliffe politics).
1 posted on 10/30/2004 6:12:56 AM PDT by CThomasFan
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Yawn!


2 posted on 10/30/2004 6:14:34 AM PDT by Perdogg (Dubya - Right Man, Right Job, at the Right Time!)
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Unless you change it to give each county in the US one vote regardless of population. (The red/blue county map shows 90% are red) It really makes the election local and eliminates the power of the big cities.


3 posted on 10/30/2004 6:17:22 AM PDT by mombrown1
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I don't see much likelihood of Kerry winning the popular vote but losing the EC. If (GOD FORBID!, please God, do NOT let this happen!) Bush should win the popular vote but lose the EC, then it will be the exact reverse, party wise, of 2000 and I doubt there will be any movement to get rid of the EC, because everyone will see the (dis)advantage cuts both ways.

And anyway, it would require amending the Constitution, and the little states will NEVER go for it, liberal or conservative though their populations may be, in this they will be 100% united. And who can blame them? Who wants NY, CALI, TX bossing around the whole country?


4 posted on 10/30/2004 6:17:54 AM PDT by jocon307 (Don't let Australia down: Re-elect President Bush!)
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Despite the difficulty of changing it, Leach said the argument against the Electoral College is plain.

"We're advocating democracy around the world," he said. "Are we suggesting to anyone they have an electoral college?"


I hope we are. An electoral college would tend to mitigate extremism in fractionalized countries by forcing candidates to campaign in marginal areas instead of only in their base.
5 posted on 10/30/2004 6:20:19 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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We had very good founders of our country and they did the best they could to protect "states rights." Although a lot of that has vanished in the last 40 years we need to hang on to this as one way that states make a difference.


6 posted on 10/30/2004 6:22:05 AM PDT by Moconservative
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the Electoral College has endured despite four elections in which candidates have become president despite finishing second in the popular vote.

That's exactly what it is for.

9 posted on 10/30/2004 6:24:21 AM PDT by risk
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The argument for getting rid of the EC is based on a flawed assumption, that the person who gets the majority of the popular vote "should" be president. The system was set up the way it was for so many reasons, but at the heart of it is that we are a republic, not a democracy. If we want to get rid of all state and local governments and everything is centrally run, then well a true decomcracy would be a better fit. But that's not what we have, or want. (well, maybe the rats want it)


11 posted on 10/30/2004 6:29:55 AM PDT by machman
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Because of mass stupidty in the United States, many in the mass forget that . . .

a popular vote is a democracy. America is a representative republic.

Democracy = Mob Rule.

Popular vote = Mob Rule.

Will this happen? At some time. As mass ignorance spreads, and as demographics make America more and more stupid as the birth rate among the least educated nontaxpayers soar, and as the birth rate among the educated taxpayers stays very low, we will eventually see a democracy in America and have mob rule.

12 posted on 10/30/2004 6:30:35 AM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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Dork Leach RINO alert!


13 posted on 10/30/2004 6:31:43 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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The Electoral College is one of the perks of statehood. Of course, many people these days hardly care that states even exist. They love the almighty Federal Government, the source of all life on earth.

If the Electoral College was abolished, I guess the US Senate would have to be abolished as well, as Wyoming and California both have two senators.

14 posted on 10/30/2004 6:31:58 AM PDT by flair2000
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Vote may sway future of electoral college

Over a bloody revolution, perhaps. We'll just change it back the way it was after we win.

15 posted on 10/30/2004 6:34:56 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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Talk about disenfranchising voters! Getting rid of the electoral college would transfer all of the voting power and thus representation to the urban areas and left the less populated area of the nation with little say in the election process.

Only someone, like my Illinois Senator Dick Durbin, who doesn't understand why the current electoral system works would support such a foolish change.

18 posted on 10/30/2004 6:39:58 AM PDT by The Toad
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No. Not 'mob rule' but revolution and anarchy. I suffer 'democracy' (the rule of fools by fools) grudgingly. To change the rules to give the ignorant advantage is anathema. If there is to be war then let it begin here!


19 posted on 10/30/2004 6:41:15 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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Some of the 'problem' has been brought on by the election of Senators mitigating the balance of powers among the States. Before we change a syustem inculcated in our Constitution, we must rigidly work within the system. Otherwise we are all mere 'progressives' blowing the political winds.


20 posted on 10/30/2004 6:43:49 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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What we really need to work on is a system of voter identification that encourages people to vote (regardless of their affiliation) while eliminating fraud.

That would go a long way toward restoring faith in politics without tinkering with the Constitution.

Of course, the 'Rats would never go along, because it eliminates a long time election tactic of theirs, dating back to the 19th century: Tammany Hall in New York - Huey Long in Louisiana - Richard Daley in Chicago - ACORN in 2004


22 posted on 10/30/2004 6:52:42 AM PDT by opocno (France, the other dead meat)
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We DEFINITELY DO NOT want our President chosen by the ignorant welfare types and leftists that dominate our major inner-cities. The liberals are ALWAYS harping about "leveling the playing field". Well, our Founding Fathers GENIUS is evident in their "leveling the playing field" for citizens that live in less populated states within our great country through the Electoral College. If the liberals EVER win at the ballot box on this, then it will be time for us to resort to the CARTRIDGE BOX.


24 posted on 10/30/2004 6:58:57 AM PDT by DocH (Release ALL your Navy records AND your private journal Kerry!)
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"We're advocating democracy around the world," he said. "Are we suggesting to anyone they have an electoral college?"

If we find a forming nation that is composed of several FREE and INDEPENDENT states, then I hope we will.

29 posted on 10/30/2004 7:14:22 AM PDT by Physicist
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The Electoral College (along with the way the Senate/House were elected in the US Constitution as it was originally written) were strokes of absolute geniuse by the founding fathers. To abandon it would be the height of idiocy and would bring us under mob rule (otherwise known as McCauliffe politics).

Amen! I have not problem with Kerry winning the election with Bush winning the popular vote. America is a republic, if we can keep it.

That said, I really like the idea of allocating one elector for each congressional district and two to the state as a whole. It keeps the spirit of the Electoral College while making the election more competitive and reducing the chance of ties or controversy.

30 posted on 10/30/2004 7:16:47 AM PDT by magellan
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A Bush landslide Tuesday night would eliminate all of this pinhead posturing in a hurry.


31 posted on 10/30/2004 7:19:07 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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The dems are doing all in their power to undermine the constitution and now destroy everything that made this country great.

It will be a cold day in hell when people want their president elected by New York and California.

32 posted on 10/30/2004 7:24:22 AM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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