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Japanese emperor's comments cause stir
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 10/29/04 | Kenji Hall - AP

Posted on 10/29/2004 7:55:46 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

TOKYO (AP) - Japanese officials rushed on Friday to dismiss suggestions that the emperor overstepped his authority and meddled in government affairs by voicing his opposition to Tokyo schools' policy of compulsory patriotism.

Wading into the controversy over patriotism in schools, Emperor Akihito on Thursday said he hoped nobody was being forced to face the flag and sing the national anthem - both potent symbols of Japan's brutal 20th century invasion of Asia.

The comments caused a stir in Japan because the post-World War II constitution strictly limits the emperor to acting as a figurehead and bars him from policy-making.

Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said Friday he thought Akihito wasn't trying to influence the government.

"It should be natural for him to say that. That's how I view it," Koizumi told reporters. "The comment shouldn't be viewed as political."

Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda stressed that the emperor's remarks were consistent with national government policy.

"We think the emperor made his remark with full understanding of his position as a symbol and this does not violate our constitution which stipulates the emperor has not any power over affairs of the state," Hosoda said. "We think this explanation poses no particular problem."

Since Japan's defeat in World War II, tacit taboos have prevented outward displays of patriotism. But a debate has been growing over whether children should be taught to be proud of their history and culture in schools.

Last year the Tokyo metropolitan government ordered teachers and students to sing the anthem at graduation. In March, the school board punished nearly 200 teachers for disobeying, and teachers sued. The case is pending.

At the royal family's annual autumn garden party Thursday, Tokyo school board member Kunio Yonegawa told the emperor he was trying to make all Japanese students stand for the flag raising and sing the anthem.

In unusually blunt language, Akihito replied: "It is desirable that it not be compulsory." Yonegawa quickly agreed, thanked the emperor and bowed.

It's unclear whether the emperor's views will influence officials or sway public opinion. Palace officials said Akihito was merely stating the obvious.

Even so, the remarks could help defuse anger in China, South Korea and other Asian countries where many still harbor bitter memories of Japanese invasions.

Although Japan's postwar constitution grants the royal family no official powers, the emperor has a central role in the debate over patriotism.

Akihito's father, Hirohito, was revered as a deity until Japan's surrender led him to relinquish his status as a god. He reigned when Japan invaded Asia in his name, and scholars continue to disagree over whether he was responsible for the Japanese army's wartime atrocities.

Even now, Akihito's status as a cultural icon gives his words considerable weight.

Some conservative lawmakers say Japanese children lack national pride and that schools should teach them to love their country. Lawmakers and politicians have called for changes to an education system that boasts nearly 100 percent literacy but is widely criticized as placing too much importance on competition, conformity and rote learning. Some schools have begun grading students' patriotism.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Japan
KEYWORDS: akihito; cause; comments; emperor; emperorakihito; japanese; royals; stir
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Lawmakers and politicians have called for changes to an education system that boasts nearly 100 percent literacy but is widely criticized as placing too much importance on competition, conformity and rote learning. Some schools have begun grading students' patriotism.

Ironic, imo, that America could use some of exactly what 'ails' Japanese education of its student population. No?

1 posted on 10/29/2004 7:55:46 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Sounds like the Socialist are a little behind in Japan -


Let's hope they never reach the point in Japan where they are in the US -




just my thoughts -


2 posted on 10/29/2004 8:02:38 PM PDT by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: NormsRevenge
The comments caused a stir in Japan because the post-World War II constitution strictly limits the emperor to acting as a figurehead and bars him from policy-making.

The very definition of totally useless.

4 posted on 10/29/2004 8:05:57 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: NormsRevenge

An interesting example of a monarch being the source for preserving civil liberties against possibly over-zealous officials.

Spain's King more dramatically preserved the young Spanish democracy by denouncing the revolting army factions who attempted to stage a coup against the new constitutional system and return to more fascistic rule with the King as the head.

Seems to me that if you're going to pay to have a King, he ought to have some authority. They can even prove useful once in awhile, as a moderating force. I am not sure that the history of the French Republic, without a King, has been as placid and comfortable for the French as the history of the United Kingdom with their hereditary monarchs.


5 posted on 10/29/2004 8:08:36 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Auta i Lome!)
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To: NormsRevenge
meddled in government affairs by voicing his opposition to Tokyo schools' policy of compulsory patriotism.

Sounds like one of those loosers here that oppose a mandatory Pledge of Allegiance.

6 posted on 10/29/2004 8:09:45 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: NormsRevenge

Well that has to put the Japanese nationalists in a bind. They want to institute the compulsory patriotism but the emperor-god king says its a bad idea. What to do?


7 posted on 10/29/2004 8:10:53 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Pastnowfuturealpha
"Sounds like the Socialist are a little behind...."

The Socialists are little behinds wherever they may be.
8 posted on 10/29/2004 8:15:41 PM PDT by Chummy (RepublicanAttackSquad.biz: "A vote 4 Kerry is a vote 4 Osama")
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To: Arkinsaw

How is asking the kids in school to sing the national anthem any different then our schools asking our kids to cite the pledge of allegiance or sing our national anthemn?

I see it as no issue at all - I understand the Emperor's comments in regards to compulsory participation, but do not believe that this is the case in most situations in Japan or the US.


9 posted on 10/29/2004 8:25:26 PM PDT by reed13k
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To: Vicomte13
Seems to me that if you're going to pay to have a King, he ought to have some authority.

The authority to execute Cabinet Ministers, journalists, or actors who speak out of turn would be enough. ;)

10 posted on 10/29/2004 8:30:45 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: reed13k

Well, Japan has had more of a problem with nationalism getting out of hand than we have.


The role of the Emperor in Japanese politics, society and history is very, very weird, though. Hard to comprehend to a non-Japanese. I really don't understand it totally myself.


11 posted on 10/29/2004 8:38:07 PM PDT by Strategerist
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How is asking the kids in school to sing the national anthem any different then our schools asking our kids to cite the pledge of allegiance or sing our national anthemn?

We don't have a history of worshipping our President as a god. We don't have a history of conducting aggressive warfare against numerous nations and engaging in genocide against the neighbors. Japanese militarism, nationalism, and patriotism led to this. Ours hasn't led to anything of the sort.

All nationalistic symbology is not created equal.
12 posted on 10/29/2004 8:47:20 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Golden Dragon

Ping from Big Daddy


13 posted on 10/29/2004 9:20:09 PM PDT by night reader
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To: Arkinsaw; Strategerist
Agreed they had an issue with nationalism in the past. Lots of nations had issues in the past - we can't judge them (or ourselves) today based on a history that is generations past. Their issue 60+ years ago was more related to the military centered regime then it was due to the Emperor's actions by the way. The Emperor, with exception of a small period in the late 1800's has had little say in actual policy for hundreds of years. I don't judge my country on our policy of 150 years past, nor do I judge the Japanese for their policies 60 years ago. People can only try to improve and try not to make the same mistakes. Does everyone need to remain vigilante - absolutely - but give me a break. I think they have come a hell of a long way in the last 60 years.

My wife is Japanese, and while she and her family respect the emperor's family, I have seen a greater level of submission toward British royalty than I have seen on the Japanese side. Hell, I've seen some Americans bow down to pathetic hollywoodites with more reverence than I have seen the Japanese give toward their emperor.


So, again I ask the question - why would a simple thing such as singing the national anthem in a classroom be any different then the exact same act that we do here. They are not requiring a swearing of allegiance - they are singing their national anthem.

The issue under discussion is a comment by the Emperor against a mandatory requirement for students to sing the anthem. The uproar is due to the perception by some that he was making a policy statement - which he was not - he was merely stating his opinion on the subject.

I believe that people and society's change over time - don't you believe the same thing can happen?
14 posted on 10/29/2004 9:21:08 PM PDT by reed13k
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Tokyo schools' policy of compulsory patriotism.

Interesting concept. How is that taught/indoctrinated/manifested?

5.56mm

15 posted on 10/29/2004 9:24:16 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: NormsRevenge
But a debate has been growing over whether children should be taught to be proud of their history and culture in schools.

We need that same debate here. Of course, we'd have to replace a lot of our teachers. (Too many libs.)

16 posted on 10/30/2004 2:55:47 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: M Kehoe
Textbooks. Curriculum. Movies. Speakers. Flag in the corner to be respected, and Kimigayo sung in the morning.

All courtesy of Tokyo Governor "The Japan That Can Say NO" Shintaro Ishihara.

Before admiring Westerners of Japan, such as many of those right here on FR, get all excited and supportive of current Ishihara-type Japanese nationalist policies that they would eye as being great if instituted in the US, they should know an active component of the Patrioic Movement" in Japan in the schools is the near total denial or at least elimination as a topic of discussion of such inconvenient things as: Japanese Imperial Army atrocities in the Pacific, including Rape of Nanjing, beheading of US POWs, Bataan Death March, Unit 731 Human Experiments, and justification of the Imperal Naval and Army attack on Pearl Harbour.

Most Freepers out there cool with that?

17 posted on 10/30/2004 4:21:03 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo ( MSM is the nanny watchdog of everyone/everything; yet they explode w/rage when THEY are audited.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Excellent post. I'd been going to make the same point but you've done so far more elegantly and concisely than I ever could!


18 posted on 11/20/2005 2:19:57 PM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: M Kehoe
Interesting concept. How is that taught/indoctrinated/manifested?

Children are taught to recite pledges they don't understand.

19 posted on 11/20/2005 2:25:36 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: AmericanInTokyo
No, I'm not cool with historical airbrushing. Ishihara is just this side of a fascist, as far as I'm concerned.

Remember, when in doubt, call on these guys....

Be Seeing You,

Chris

20 posted on 11/20/2005 2:31:02 PM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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