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Was Kerry dishonorably discharged?

Posted on 10/27/2004 11:43:02 PM PDT by backpacker_c

Need help interpreting something from 1971 interview that seems to me verifies that kerry had a dishonorable discharge - Debbie: Was there every any question about you being dishonorably discharged? Kerry: oh no, no, that has never been questioned.


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KEYWORDS: discharge; kerry
Sorry for doing this, but i originally posted in the general forum, being a new poster, but this is a serious question, and i'm trying to get an opinion if this could comfirm a dishonorable discharge. I found an a/v file on c-span of an interview with kerry that seems to me sounds like he did have a dishonorable discharge, which would correspond with the Thomas Lipscomb article from the NY Sun about how a fix may have been done to clear kerry's service record. here is a link to my original post - original link

prior background threads October Surprise??? Navy Chief (from SBVT site) Navy:Undesirable/General Discharges for Civilian Misconduct While on Inactive Duty Reserve Status

my apologies about the relink.

1 posted on 10/27/2004 11:43:02 PM PDT by backpacker_c
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To: backpacker_c

It's funny. In this quote, It sure sounds like Kerry is saying he was definately dishonorably discharged.

We should look up articles from this reporter to see if there was any mention at the time.


2 posted on 10/27/2004 11:58:19 PM PDT by Oblongata
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To: Oblongata

in this video, you can also see

kerry gets asked how many medals he threw over the fence
kerry not know how many medals he was awarded
the interviewer says "well, you were award a bronze star, a silver star, and TWO purple hearts" which contradicts kerry's record of 3 purple hearts, and may give more credance to the thought that one of the purple hearts was a fraud

you also hear recycled catch phrases "the wrong war"


3 posted on 10/28/2004 12:03:15 AM PDT by backpacker_c
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To: backpacker_c

I betrayed our country as a young man, and I'll betray it as...


4 posted on 10/28/2004 12:04:31 AM PDT by TeddyCon
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To: backpacker_c
Sorry for doing this, but i originally posted in the general forum, being a new poster, but this is a serious question, and i'm trying to get an opinion if this could comfirm a dishonorable discharge.

Absent a full disclosure of all his pertinent military records, which would require Kerry's signature on an SF180, you are just not going to find absolute "confirmation" of anything other than an Honorable discharge. That said, the fact that Kerry has consistently avoided signing like the plague, speaks volumes to anyone who has been paying attention...

the infowarrior

5 posted on 10/28/2004 12:06:31 AM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: backpacker_c

kerry testified to Congress, to commotting atroces/war craimes, actively worked with the N. Viet. to undermine our men. He is without a doubt the most openly tresonous person to ever be nominated for the office of the Presidency. NOTHING could be more clear! He IS a crimmina!


6 posted on 10/28/2004 12:08:48 AM PDT by Waco
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To: backpacker_c

It would be funny if someone "found" a dishonerable discharge certificate for Kerry and sent it to a friendly news source. A sort of Rather memogate in reverse.

...all in fun, of course.


7 posted on 10/28/2004 12:22:23 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Remember: Benedict Arnold was a "war hero," too.)
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To: Jeff Gordon

unfortunately, with this election, i think the "main stream" media has shown it's hand in how bias it's reporting is. what is worse, is that no federal agency (fcc?) has done anything about rathergate, nor investigated the memo by ABC which said that it didn't need to be objective.

Anyway, I though that if enough people agreed that this q&a of kerry sounded like he had a dishonorable discharge, that it could be used by someone to ask kerry if this was the reason for lack of full disclosure of his service record, and his refusal for signing form 180.


8 posted on 10/28/2004 12:47:09 AM PDT by backpacker_c
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To: Jeff Gordon

it should be okay, since the content would be true...


9 posted on 10/28/2004 12:54:21 AM PDT by C210N
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To: backpacker_c

First, this issue is compounded by a confusion of terms. In the military, only enlisted are discharged, officers are separated, retired, or dismissed. Dismissal is the equivlent of a Dishonorable Discharge that enlisted receive. It can only be given through conviction of a general courts-martial. But both enlisted and officers receive a form when the leave the military. It is a DD (Department of Defense) Form 214, Record of Service. On that form is recorded a reason for discharge or separation as well as a term describing the individual's "Character of Service." A person's Character of Service can be described as Honorable or not Honorable. I think this is what many are referring to when they talk about Kerry receiving or not receiving a honorable discharge.


10 posted on 10/28/2004 4:53:14 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: infowarrior
"Absent a full disclosure of all his pertinent military records"

I would think that a good hacker might be able to access these records? Or am I being naive?

Carolyn

11 posted on 10/28/2004 4:55:50 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: ops33

I understand that there is some confusion about officers being released from service if they are not promoted after two reviews, or are no longer necessary for the service (excess personnel,etc).

the reason that I am trying to have people review this video, is that, I feel that kerry was asked if anyone had said anything about his dishonorable discharge, and that he says no. Not no, there was not a dishonorable discharge, but, no, there had not been any comments about it.


12 posted on 10/28/2004 9:22:27 AM PDT by backpacker_c
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To: backpacker_c

You are, of course, correct, but since the MSM doesn't care it will never happen.


13 posted on 10/28/2004 9:37:52 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: backpacker_c
The link to the '71 file is not working now?
http://www.c-span.org/classroom/govt/rwh032804.asp
14 posted on 10/28/2004 9:48:32 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun
i posted to the original thread, before i saw that you had posted here also. I created a few new links,which i will duplicate here for convenience. The first one is to where people can see what was written in the NY Sun article, because the original link is now subscriber only, and a second link directly to the video.

I am having trouble loading the c-span page, and the video, but it does play. I also had to upgrade my real player to be able to play it recently.

15 posted on 10/28/2004 11:56:10 AM PDT by backpacker_c
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To: CDHart
I would think that a good hacker might be able to access these records? Or am I being naive?

I cannot say for certain if this would be possible, or not. I don't know if these records are still being maintained in "hard copy", like they used to be, or if there is a digital database utilized these days.

If they've gone digital, it is theoretically possible to hack, and obtain the pertinent files, but how difficult it would be, I have no idea, nor am I posessed of sufficient skill to even consider the notion of trying...

the infowarrior

16 posted on 10/29/2004 9:24:21 PM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: backpacker_c

sorry everone, i must apologize and post a retraction.

in the interview, where i thought I heard Two purple hearts, it is actually Three.

When I had listened to the interview, it had poor audio quality, and I misheard the words.

I am sorry for any confusion this may have caused, it was not an intentional mistake.


17 posted on 10/31/2004 12:54:57 AM PDT by backpacker_c
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