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Kristol: N.Y. Times and CBS 'Conspiring' With Kerry to Defeat Bush
NewsMax.com ^ | 10/27/04 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 10/27/2004 6:37:14 AM PDT by kattracks

What a treat on "Fox & Friends" this morning: William Kristol hammered the pro-Democrat New York Times and pro-Democrat CBS for "colluding" and "conspiring" with Sen. John Kerry to topple President Bush.

Even Kerry's own handlers now admit they have no proof to back up the issue the Democrats concocted with their media allies.

Kristol notes in his new column for Weekly Standard: "Pressed on Tuesday afternoon about the accuracy of the allegations on Fox's Big Story with John Gibson, Richard Holbrooke, a senior adviser to the Kerry campaign, said: 'You don't know the truth and I don't know the truth.' He later underscored this point: 'I don't know the truth.'

"That minor issue hasn't kept the Kerry campaign from creating a television ad based on what may well be untruthful claims. ... Shouldn't he at least make sure that such a charge is true?"

But in the Democrat playbook there's no entry for truth. The party's longtime strategy is to repeat a lie until people believe it. Thanks to their media collaborators, and President Bush's wimpy refusal to denounce the Times and "60 Minutes" and Kerry and John Edwards, the stunt could succeed.

At least a few voices are speaking out. "Kerry gins up his attack machine based on a flawed New York Times story," the Republican National Committee noted Tuesday.

Richard Lessner, executive director of American Conservative Union, blasted the story "a cheap, baseless and partisan hit-job on President Bush" and pointed out that "neither the Times nor CBS has much interest in reporting the facts."



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ammogate; cbsnews; collusion; kerry; kristol; mediashillsforkerry; nyt; partisanmedia
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To: milford421
Also:

BRET BAIER reported on Fox, and this is a good point. Between the time the 3rd ID first looked and the time:

"U.S. weapons inspectors, the Iraq Survey Group, arrived at the site on May 27, conducting a full search of the 32 bunkers - and they did not find any of the IAEA-marked explosives."

This was the window of time to take the explosives if one assumes they were there after US Troops arrived. The original NY Times article estimates it would have taken 40 heavy trucks to carry it all. Although there was not a US unit guarding in Al Qaqaa, they did control all the roads leading in and out of the installation. There is no way they could make a movement like that and not be seen.

121 posted on 10/27/2004 9:28:23 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: CedarDave
"At the very least he should give it prominent mention in his stump speeches."

I beg to disagree. Were he to directly do so would be to lower the Office of the President to the same bottom-feeding level as the challenger.

It will rightly be left to the Veep, to "Dick" the challengers, and (hopefully) to the RNC to bring out the facts involved in the old news story.

Jeez, even as I write this, W is making a counter that Kerry is jumping in without knowing the facts... and them Dems are rightly countering that now the Prez is on the defensive...

He'd have been better off letting others deal with it, IMHO.

Some may see silence as being surrender. Some of us optimists see W's silence as being a "such ridiculous claims don't even warrant a Presidential reply" comment. That is a position more befitting a President of this country.

Let others stomp on the pissants, let the President deal with the true issues, I say.

122 posted on 10/27/2004 9:33:19 AM PDT by theoldChief (Pacifists are the parasites of freedom)
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To: kattracks
If Kerry wins, all of this is forgotten.

That's what CBS News, The New York Times and others are doing. If the beat George Bush, so what?

What if they're fired?

What if they're disgraced?

It just doesn't matter. Beat Bush is the only thing they understand.

Journalistic ethics - now there's an oxymoron.

You better make sure you vote.
123 posted on 10/27/2004 9:34:08 AM PDT by Beckwith (John Kerry, sign the Form 180 - petition at http://www.SignForm180.com)
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To: ArmyBratCutie

You said it all. Bush has had pathetic responses. He started to respond today and he needs to KEEP AT IT AND NOT LET UP in calling Kerry and the media on this charge. Will he? Demonrats are so confident they will continue these slanders because Bush has always had a very lackluster response that quiets down while the Demonrats beat the issue to death. The Bushies need to keep up slamming this as the lie it is.


124 posted on 10/27/2004 10:54:05 AM PDT by bushfamfan
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To: Manic_Episode

No, Bush needs to respond like he did today and keep it up.


125 posted on 10/27/2004 10:55:06 AM PDT by bushfamfan
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To: ErnBatavia

The President should use every opportunity to hit Kerry back on it if he can't get one of his campaign people on a program.


126 posted on 10/27/2004 10:57:32 AM PDT by bushfamfan
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To: Barlowmaker

maniacal??? they were listed by others here as to where to post in the this last week to strengthen the Presidents message...guess you missed that huh??
I've donated thousands too....BESIDES all the other things I've been doing...
just because this is YOUR OPINION of what should be done, its not mine and others.....
be flippant and scarcastic... it doesnt matter to me WHAT you say, it matters to me WHAT OUR PRES says so that the early voters HEAR it....
...


127 posted on 10/27/2004 12:57:31 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: ArmyBratCutie
Pull it together. Please. The President delivered a stinging rebuke this morning, he did it in the right place at the right time, and he doesn't need Freepers or anyone else bathing in some bizzare fellowship of cyber "they're screwing this up" hysteria (or worse a "they're screwing this up" troll job) on his behalf.

Let the professionals work their world-class craft. Quit presuming that you have any standing to micromanage an absurdly complex and fluid process absent any insider information, insight or experience. Only ninnies and trolls would nitpick the timing of any campaign foray and foment doom and gloom because your particular timetable is not being met. I trust Bush, Cheney, Rove, Card, Hughes, Racicot, Mehlman, Dowd, Gillespie et al to do their jobs ... which they do spectacularly well without any Freeper round-the-clock supervision and input.

There's nothing wrong with the normal nervous projections, and this forum is a useful vehicle for venting. But the hyperimportant reflexive pessimism of some folks here, especially newly arrived folks, doesn't ring true to me and is not a legitimate use of the community.

128 posted on 10/27/2004 1:37:22 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Salamander

Click on any FReeper's name that is a hyperlink, such as your own at the end of any post you make, or mine at the end of this post,
when it takes you to that FReeper's home page,
type in " Dog " in the box "view home page, enter name" (top right)
click VIEW
and there you are.

There may be an easier way to do it but that's what I know to do.

Enjoy!


129 posted on 10/27/2004 2:45:15 PM PDT by GretchenM (Rationing brings out the Ugly in some people.)
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To: Barlowmaker

ahahahahhahahhahahahha
you are killing me HAHAHAHHAHAHA
you sound just like a troll....SURPRESS what you dont want to hear... yep thats the ticket.....
oh and yeah Im really trying to micromange HAHAHAHAHAHHA where the HECK did that come from?? as if a POSTER on Free Republic COULD do that HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA I was just stating my feelings....what is wrong with you HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAA
and its HYSTERICAL to hear YOU the "old timer" talk about "newbies", when you've been here maybe one month longer than most of us HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


130 posted on 10/27/2004 3:11:46 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: Barlowmaker

one more thing.....a quote from a Liberal... they love it that the President hadnt done or said much first thing this morning when you started your rant to me:
NEWSMAKER QUOTE OF THE DAY

Boston Globe's Tom Oliphant: "This is a real critical day in the campaign. President Bush in my judgment has got to change the subject very fast today. You cannot have in the last week, I mean Iraq sort of came out of nowhere at the beginning of last weekend and unlike what I understand had been happening back in Washington where I wasn't in recent weeks, Iraq penetrated the local media markets of the country beginning Sunday morning in a big way. It didn't start with the missing explosives it started with that horrible massacre of the National Guard recruits because that picture was so dramatic it was just everywhere. But you had the massacre, you had the first report on the missing explosives, then you had the word that Iraq is going to cost another 75 billion dollars and probably it's going to have to absorb another 22 thousand American kids between now and the elections. The result has been to put Iraq front and center on the front page at the very moment the last people are making up their minds on the election. The President has got to change the subject probably today. This is media momentum you are seeing now and if it doesn't stop it's going to become political momentum."


131 posted on 10/27/2004 3:17:17 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: ErnBatavia
How you gonna get 'em there, other than FOX? That's the problem... ----

Exactly .............. it is a sick situation!

132 posted on 10/27/2004 3:17:56 PM PDT by beyond the sea (ab9usa4uandme)
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To: kattracks
NBCLIESBIGTIME
133 posted on 10/27/2004 3:19:40 PM PDT by timestax
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To: MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; devolve; Diogenesis; potlatch; Prime Choice

Kristol: N.Y. Times and CBS 'Conspiring' With Kerry to Defeat Bush


134 posted on 10/27/2004 10:14:11 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 6 Days Until November 2nd, 2004 - DOWN TO THE WIRE!)
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To: GretchenM

Found it!
Thankee!

Some of the pix are still missing...:-\


135 posted on 10/27/2004 10:57:40 PM PDT by Salamander (Pirates of the Appalachians)
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To: Happy2BMe; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; Diogenesis; Prime Choice; onyx; Watery Tart; FairOpinion; ...

136 posted on 10/28/2004 12:14:26 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

PhilDragoo in '08. Seriesly.


137 posted on 10/28/2004 1:09:59 AM PDT by Watery Tart (I'm still giddy – GIDDY – over those Red Stockings fellows!)
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To: Happy2BMe; Conspiracy Guy; PhilDragoo; devolve; potlatch; Grampa Dave; yall
This bears repeating!:

But in the Democrat playbook there's no
entry for truth. The party's longtime
strategy is to repeat a lie until people
believe it.


138 posted on 10/28/2004 6:07:55 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Happy2BMe
LAMESTREAM-MEDIA-LIES
139 posted on 10/28/2004 6:15:32 AM PDT by timestax
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To: Barlowmaker

Bush's slow trigger
Robert Novak (archive)


October 30, 2004 | Print | Send


WASHINGTON -- Republican leaders are grumbling that the White House was much too slow in responding to Democratic attacks on George W. Bush about the disappearance of munitions in Iraq.

When asked by CNN about the dubious New York Times story that ran Monday, President Bush refused comment -- more than a day after its publication. Not until Wednesday morning did the Republican candidate start to reply to John Kerry's attack. In the meantime, Tuesday night tracking showed Kerry picking up sharply.

A footnote: No immediate effort was made to get retired Gen. Tommy Franks, commander of the Iraq operation and now a Bush supporter, to rebut Kerry. Plans for his response were not completed until Thursday.


140 posted on 10/30/2004 12:45:41 AM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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