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The Referendum on Neoconservatism (It's already over, and the neocons won)
The Weekly Standard ^ | November 1, 2004 | Tod Lindberg

Posted on 10/25/2004 6:29:07 PM PDT by RWR8189

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1 posted on 10/25/2004 6:29:08 PM PDT by RWR8189
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He is too credulous that Kerry really means what he says, when we should be able to recognize that Kerry, based on his life record, is really an internationalist who will not take vigorous action to protect the US.


2 posted on 10/25/2004 6:34:47 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: RWR8189

The young are the future, by definition. That's why they won.


3 posted on 10/25/2004 6:37:00 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: RWR8189

Huh??

I'm sure he understands all this, but as a Mensan (and yes, I have the membership card to prove it), this is plain nonsense... Intellectual psycho-babble!!

For a real, no-nonsense read on the corruption of the Democratic party, see the new Anti-DNC web portal at:

http://www.nodnc.com/

No material and functions are being added all the time...


4 posted on 10/25/2004 6:37:56 PM PDT by woodb01 (Take out the 'dnC'BS "news" trash... SEE ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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Yea well it's all very well and good to term this philosophy 'neo-conservate' But I've been advocating this sort of approach to world affairs and national security since I was a teenager working in the Barry Goldwater campaign in 1964 Did the same thing as a GOP nominee for Congress here in Houston in 1974 Got scorned and labeled a 'fascist warmonger' for my efforts for doing it on the local Pacifica radio station as the token conservative commentator I suppose the author and the 'neocon's finally saw the wisdom of this approach- not that I claim credit for it- I credit Goldwater, Bill Buckley et al for it


5 posted on 10/25/2004 6:41:06 PM PDT by Armigerous
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Well everything he calls "neoconservative" foreign policy is just old fashioned good sense for the situation.

This paean to neoconservatism is as vapid as the sermons against neoconservatism were.

6 posted on 10/25/2004 6:43:20 PM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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I think this author has it all wrong. The so-called "neo-conservative" element of the Republican Party lost every shred of credibility over three defining events in the last 18 months:

1. Richard Perle's resignation as head of the Defense Policy Board in early 2003, after it was revealed that he was lobbying for a relaxation of U.S. Defense Department regulations on behalf of a Red Chinese front company (Hutchison Wampoa) that was seeking to purchase extensive fiber-optic assets from Global Crossing.

2. Richard Perle's resignation as a member of that same body a few months later, after it became clear that almost every single prediction he had made about the war in Iraq was utterly wrong. (Definition of a "disgraceful loser": a person who has the dubious distinction of resigning twice from the same organization in a three-month period)

3. The official statement by a group called the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya late this summer, in which they criticized the Putin government for its heavy-handed tactics in dealing with the Chechen uprising. A glance at the ACPC's membership list will reveal such luminaries of the neo-conservative movement as Richard Perle, William Kristol, Michael Ledeen, etc. "War on terror," my @ss, you jack@sses.

7 posted on 10/25/2004 6:46:22 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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What is this guy talking about? I recognize the words, I understand the syntax, and the grammar. After reading it 4 times I can't begin to tell what he is talking about. I think he gets paid by the syllable.
8 posted on 10/25/2004 6:50:28 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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In the National Security Strategy and in a series of presidential speeches that historians will study for their insight long after George W. Bush and the rest of us are dead, this administration, with a little help from its friends, outlined a new strategic doctrine that is going to guide national security policy for the next 50 years, regardless of who wins the 2004 election.

More or less at a stroke, the United States made several things clear:

(1) It intends to do what is necessary to remain the world's foremost military power by an order of magnitude sufficient to discourage all other states from attempting to compete militarily, thereby encouraging the peaceful resolution of disputes between states.
(2) The United States will hold governments responsible for what takes place with their consent within their borders: The proposition that state support for terrorists with global reach may have regime-ending consequences will discourage states from allowing terrorists to operate.
(3) The nexus of terrorism and weapons of mass destruction is so dangerous that in certain instances, the United States will act preemptively or preventively against states rather than allowing threats to gather; this, in turn, will discourage some (though, alas, not necessarily all) states from the pursuit of such weapons.
(4) The best way to secure the peace is through freedom and democracy, because free, democratic states want to live in peace with each other; the United States should therefore be at the forefront of the promotion of freedom and democracy.

______________________________________

We have our marching orders.
This is not a drill, this is realpolitic.

I kid you not.

9 posted on 10/25/2004 7:01:28 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: woodb01
Find it revealing that that site is called "restore" America--not preserve America--this is my sneaking suspicion---that the America I love no longer exists.
10 posted on 10/25/2004 7:01:53 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: woodb01
I'm sure he understands all this, but as a Mensan (and yes, I have the membership card to prove it), this is plain nonsense... Intellectual psycho-babble!!

See you in New Orleans!

11 posted on 10/25/2004 7:04:53 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: yall

The National Security Strategy of the United States of America

Address:http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.html Changed:2:40 AM on Wednesday, April 28, 2004


12 posted on 10/25/2004 7:05:36 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Alberta's Child
The official statement by a group called the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya late this summer, in which they criticized the Putin government for its heavy-handed tactics in dealing with the Chechen uprising.

Credibility and Putin? You think so.

13 posted on 10/25/2004 7:18:54 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: RWR8189
The case Kerry states is against neoconservative national security policy not in principle, but as executed.

I disagree with this insight. If you take Kerry's statements in context to each other (an admittedly difficult task), what Kerry is suggesting is that he will "hunt down the terrorists" in a "smarter more efficient manner" with the assistance of the UN and our allies. This means that Kerry will not adhere to a policy of preemption or to policy of using military force against nations that harbor terrorists because the UN and the socialist nations that he considers allies will never agree to such action. This is not just a disagreement in execution. It is a disagreement of principle and strategy.
14 posted on 10/25/2004 7:20:33 PM PDT by etradervic (GLOBAL TEST? Kerry can't even pass the SMELL TEST.)
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To: FreeReign

Richard Gere is also a member of that group. WTF are all those neo-cons doing in the same organization as Richard Gere -- sharing gerbils?


15 posted on 10/25/2004 7:20:46 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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Richard Gere is also a member of that group. WTF are all those neo-cons doing in the same organization as Richard Gere -- sharing gerbils?

John Conyers is the one who called for the investigation of Perle. Shall I name more enemies of this country who are lining up against Perle? WTF are you doing aligned with them?

Life is real simple, isn't it.

16 posted on 10/25/2004 7:31:13 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: RWR8189
I have often wondered what a neocon is. I didn't know whether I am one or not, so I looked up 'neo' in the dictionary. I know what conservative means.

I have decided I am not a neo con [sounds like a bad word].

Here is the definition of 'neo':

neo- prefix -now,recent/a later revival of / recently
discovered or developed

I did not recently discover conservatism, nor is it a revival of an idea formed long ago and is just now being revised.

I have been a conservative , when it certainly wasn't popular, since I was 17 and am now 81.

Maybe we should all quit using neocon, it wasn't a word first used by us. It was coined by the liberals as a put down and is used more and more frequently by those who oppose it.

I doubt very much if you asked a liberal what neocon means [not what it stands for] few if any could define it.

As usual, just a thought.

Frannie


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17 posted on 10/25/2004 7:38:04 PM PDT by frannie (The truth will set us ALL free)
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To: etradervic

..."the UN and the socialist nations that he considers allies will never agree to such action. This is not just a disagreement in execution. It is a disagreement of principle and strategy."

You're right. Kerry is basically submitting the authority of the U.S. to the U.N.


18 posted on 10/25/2004 7:39:53 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: woodb01

Once he said the word "unilateral" I knew he was a poser/follower. Guess he doesn't know that "unilateral" is an invective contrived to mean "not in agreement with France/EU"

Those crazy free trade treaties Bush got, and is seeking, are not "unilateral".


19 posted on 10/25/2004 7:44:40 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: frannie
Maybe we should all quit using neocon, it wasn't a word first used by us. It was coined by the liberals...

Hey Frannie. You're one smart conservative...

As usual, just a thought.

...and very understated too. I would say that the use of the liberal coined words neocon and paleocon -- makes my skin crawl.

20 posted on 10/25/2004 7:45:33 PM PDT by FreeReign
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