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Accuracy of Polls (TIPP, GALLUP, etc...)
National Council Of Polls ^ | 10/24/04 | moose2004

Posted on 10/24/2004 3:33:18 PM PDT by moose2004

Accuracy and Reliability of Polls We Read, Evaluate, and Discuss Daily.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abcwashingtonpost; etc; gallup; polls; tipp; zogby
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There is a very interesting page on the National Council of Polls Web Site (http://www.ncpp.org/poll_perform.htm) that details which of the multitude of polls was the most accurate in 2000. Funny thing I noticed though was Fox/Opinion Dynamics, which along with Harris predicted the 2000 outcome almost perfectly, is not mentioned. Also, you can see how well IBD/TIPP performed, which bodes well for Bush considering they currently show him leading Kerry 49%-43% in a 3 way race.
1 posted on 10/24/2004 3:33:18 PM PDT by moose2004
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To: moose2004

I put my money in Gallup. I'm still waiting for them to release their latest poll. Is it supposed to be out today?


2 posted on 10/24/2004 3:35:33 PM PDT by Gactimus
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To: moose2004

Sure, Opinion/Dynamics predicted a tie in 2000, but they had a tie at 43-43%.

Really no better than saying 48-43 either way.


3 posted on 10/24/2004 3:35:34 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: moose2004

Screw the "polls". Vote on Nov. 2nd!


4 posted on 10/24/2004 3:38:08 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: RWR8189

Your reading it wrong , they were dead on @ B48 G48


5 posted on 10/24/2004 3:39:47 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: moose2004
here's a poll

Are All Polls BS....YES 99%

6 posted on 10/24/2004 3:39:56 PM PDT by jetson (throne)
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To: RWR8189

But I'm encouraged by the TIPP Poll, the fact that Bush is leading by 2 in the Zogby Poll, by 5 in the Time Poll, and 5 in the GW Battleground Poll out today.


7 posted on 10/24/2004 3:40:13 PM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: traderrob6

I thought Fox/Opinion Dynamics was correct in 2000, thanks for providing that information!


8 posted on 10/24/2004 3:41:50 PM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Gactimus
I was lost and now I'm found. Please read the following blog: The Horserace Blog
9 posted on 10/24/2004 3:43:39 PM PDT by knowtherules
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To: jetson
4 out of 5 Dentist's surveyed recommend G. W. Bush for their paitents who chew sugarless gum.

Your milage may vary.

Frequent consumption of these pools may reduce the risk of some kinds of liberalism.

10 posted on 10/24/2004 3:45:49 PM PDT by GaltMeister (I'm just a Pajamahadeen cog in the wheels of the VRWC.)
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One major variable missing from the record: when was the pollster's last poll taken with respect to the news story about the DUI?

In 1980 polls indicated that Reagan was by no means a shoo-in. (In that case, Carter scheduled his one debate with Reagan an amazing one week before the election. Which Carter lost.)

11 posted on 10/24/2004 3:46:39 PM PDT by Sooth2222
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To: moose2004

One thing about "accuracy" of polls. Polls are by nature statistical, meaning that whichever pollster is most accurate in a given cycle is totally a matter of chance. The thing to look at is a number of different polls and see the trends. For example, RCP is averaging polls which probably gives a better look at where the public stands than relying on a single "good" poll.


13 posted on 10/24/2004 3:52:09 PM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: moose2004

Harris poll is right on top at your link, with 0% error.

http://www.ncpp.org/poll_perform.htm


14 posted on 10/24/2004 3:55:48 PM PDT by FairOpinion (GET OUT THE VOTE. ENSURE A BUSH/CHENEY WIN.)
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Here is the relevant data. There are 10 polls in this summary and the average Bush margin was +1.6 points. The race was basically dead even so, if the polls are accurate, then we are looking at fraud and or superiour Dem turnout performance levels that are 1.6 percentage points better than the Pubbies. That means Bush needs to be up by at least 3 in the Real Clear Politics Final Poll if he is going to win and get out of court in this century.


The ten traditional polls used random samples of telephone households and live interviewers to obtain vote intentions from likely voters. Screening questions that were unique to each poll identified likely voters. More detailed methods statements are available from the individual polling organization.

2000-Preliminary Gore Bush Nader Undecided Other
Election Results 48% 48% 3%   1%
Zogby 48% 46% 5% 0% 1%
CBS 45% 44% 4% 5% 2%
Harris (Phone) 47% 47% 5% 0% 1%
Gallup/CNN/USA Today 46% 48% 4% 0% 2%
Pew Research 47% 49% 4% 0% 0%
IBD/CSM/TIPP 46% 48% 4% 0% 2%
ICR/Politics Now 44% 46% 7% 1% 2%
NBC/WSJ 44% 47% 3% 4% 2%
ABC/WashPost 45% 48% 3% 3% 1%
Battleground 45% 50% 4% 0% 1%
           
Alternative Methods          
Harris Interactive 47% 47% 4% 0% 2%
Rasmussen 49% 40% 4%    

15 posted on 10/24/2004 3:56:30 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: moose2004

The 1980 polls are interesting. Polls were predicting a very close race between Reagan and Carter, and in actual results Reagan trashed Carter: 51/41.

This gives me hope for Bush landslide.


16 posted on 10/24/2004 3:59:23 PM PDT by FairOpinion (GET OUT THE VOTE. ENSURE A BUSH/CHENEY WIN.)
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To: InterceptPoint

I like the one that has Bush ahead the most. DUH HUH! LOL


17 posted on 10/24/2004 3:59:50 PM PDT by JessieHelmsJr
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To: moose2004

Different polls take the trophy of Most Accurate from election to election. You can't really say that because a poll was very accurate last time that the same will be true this time. Harris nailed the 2000 result by predicting a 48-48 tie in their final poll. Zogby nailed it in 1996 when his final poll predicted a 49-41-8 result.

Looking over the history of the Gallup Poll I see that they've polled presidential elections since 1936 and in only two instances has the leader of their final poll gone on to lose the election (Dewey in 1948 and Ford in 1976). So, setting aside exact percentages, Gallup has correctly called 15 out of 17 elections - an 88% success rate. I eagerly await the final Gallup Poll.

Harris has polled every election since 1964. They've only called one wrong (1968 - which they called for Humphrey), and correctly called the 2000 tie. Is Harris releasing one more poll? I presume they are - that'll be a big one to watch for as well.


18 posted on 10/24/2004 4:07:01 PM PDT by RW1974
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To: traderrob6
Nobody said 48-48.

The closest was Harris that said 47-47.

This was Opinion Dynamics 2000 numbers:

Fox News/Opinion Dynamics Poll
11/1-2/00 43 43 1 3 10 1,000LV
10/18-19/00 42 45 - 4 9 900LV
10/4-5/00 43 42 2 5 8 900LV
9/20-21/00 43 43 1 4 9 900LV
9/6-7/00 45 43 2 3 7 900LV
7/26-27/00 37 46 2 6 9 LV

 

19 posted on 10/24/2004 4:11:45 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: RW1974

I know it's sound a bit sill, but that Scholastic Readers poll has been wrong only twice in 64 years and it had it called for Bush 52 47.....i cant think of another poll that has been that accurate. And considering that they called Nixon over Kennedy as one of their 2 misses....in reality they have only missed once in 64 years


20 posted on 10/24/2004 4:12:41 PM PDT by traderrob6
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