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LIBERTARIAN PARTY FOUNDER ENDORSES BUSH
AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL LIBERTARIANS | 10-24-2004 | Dr. John Hospers

Posted on 10/24/2004 10:37:30 AM PDT by Y2Krap

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To: Cultural Jihad

First, it's L. Ron, not H. Ron, and second, he founded Scientology, not the Libertarian Party. Thanks for playing, though.


181 posted on 10/25/2004 8:22:00 AM PDT by Xenalyte (And then I says, "Tell me I'm wrong!" and he says, "I can't, baby, 'cause you're NOT!")
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To: Xenalyte

What do you expect from someone who attributes quotes by Claire Wolfe to Che Guevera?


182 posted on 10/25/2004 8:25:58 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

How did I miss THAT?


183 posted on 10/25/2004 8:26:34 AM PDT by Xenalyte (And then I says, "Tell me I'm wrong!" and he says, "I can't, baby, 'cause you're NOT!")
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To: Xenalyte

Different thread.


184 posted on 10/25/2004 8:33:03 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; Xenalyte

What do you expect from someone who attributes quotes by Claire Wolfe to Che Guevera?
182 tacticalogic

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How did I miss THAT?
183 Xenalyte

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Different thread.
184 TL

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At one point years ago, someone posted a list of weird comments from our jihadic FRiend.
The project had to be abandoned when it grew too long.


185 posted on 10/25/2004 8:44:51 AM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Y2Krap
Hospers has his head firmly attached to his shoulders, unlike some of the other nutbags who refuse to see reality.

The truth is that if the Libertarian Party is to succeed, its going to have to be from the ground up, which means local offices, then Congress, and then the biggie. The only thing the Libertarian Party accomplishes by fighting Bush is to piss off the libertarian Republicans who could be future allies.

186 posted on 10/25/2004 8:50:50 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: CWOJackson

Since you are a small-l libertarian, I'd imagine that you're quite pleased with this article.


187 posted on 10/25/2004 10:03:54 AM PDT by jmc813 (J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS)
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To: All

I received this from the posted e-mail address for John Hospers:

"I did write the letter. Thanks for asking for authentication. My e-mail address is johnjhospers@aol.com. Phone 323


. I'm in the L.A. directory."


188 posted on 10/25/2004 10:11:57 AM PDT by OCMike
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To: HalleysFifth
L. (not H.) Ron Hubbard was a totalitarian--never anything close to a libertarian in any sense, even if he tried to cloak himself that way.

You seem unfamilar with the poster's agenda. Truth is no friend to his ilk.

190 posted on 10/25/2004 10:20:33 AM PDT by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside)
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To: Eastbound
he Libertarian will not strike first when he knows a fist is coming at his face? Will a Libertarian shoot first if someone points a loaded pistol at him and knows they are going to pull the trigger?

The libertarian as envisioned by the party's founder Hopkins (and his ideological model Ayn Rand) would certain react with pre-emption when faced with an imminent attack. Today's Libertarian Party, however, is being run by people who are so pacifistic that they would not even dare to use force reactively, let alone pro-actively.

191 posted on 10/25/2004 10:24:50 AM PDT by kevkrom (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
create faux religions with another.

Kinda like pretending to be something one isn't.

192 posted on 10/25/2004 10:26:39 AM PDT by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside)
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To: Skylab
Ayn Rand on the use of force:

"Dictatorship nations are outlaws. Any free nation had the right to invade Nazi Germany and, today, has the right to invade Soviet Russia, Cuba or any other slave pen. Whether a free nation chooses to do so or not is a matter of its own self-interest, not of respect for the non-existent "rights" of gang rulers. It is not a free nation's duty to liberate other nations at the price of self-sacrifice, but a free nation has the right to do it, when and if it so chooses."

"A slave nation has no national rights, but the individual rights of its citizens remain valid, even if unrecognized, and the conqueror has no right to violate them. Therefore, the invasion of an enslaved country is morally justified only when and if the conquerors establish a free social system, that is, a system based on the recognition of individual rights."

Who'd have thunk it? GWB is a Randian... :)

193 posted on 10/25/2004 10:29:34 AM PDT by kevkrom (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too.)
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To: jmc813

LOL! I'm pleased that this guy has a clue...what a shame the LP doesn't. I guess you haven't read their latest press release...where they gleefully acknowledge their whole game plan is to defeat President Bush.


194 posted on 10/25/2004 10:30:18 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Y2Krap

I have a couple of Libertarian friends. I should send this to them.

All they seem to do is mumble about the Patriot Act. Yet NONE of them can say why they disagree with it in any detail.

I've got a few misgivings about the act myself, but still, it's a stupid reason to throw your vote away.


195 posted on 10/25/2004 10:32:33 AM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Protagoras
Stop the presses! A self-avowed libertarian ideologue is committing oh-so principled fraud!
196 posted on 10/25/2004 11:55:16 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
A self-avowed libertarian ideologue is committing oh-so principled fraud!

As opposed to outright lies by the self avowed soldier for the war on the American culture.

197 posted on 10/25/2004 11:59:41 AM PDT by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside)
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To: Protagoras

Needless to say, you will not be able to come up with a half a quote which even remotely implies I am at war with American culture, but don't let that stop your oh-so-principled fraudulent words.


198 posted on 10/25/2004 12:04:21 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: CWOJackson
LOL! I'm pleased that this guy has a clue...what a shame the LP doesn't. I guess you haven't read their latest press release...where they gleefully acknowledge their whole game plan is to defeat President Bush.

Doesn't surprise me. The LP is a bunch of jackasses.

199 posted on 10/25/2004 12:08:36 PM PDT by jmc813 (J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS)
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To: Protagoras
You seem unfamilar with the poster's agenda. Truth is no friend to his ilk.

Huh? I'm unfamiliar with what you're trying to tell me.

It's no big deal, though if you just want to drop it.
200 posted on 10/25/2004 12:11:35 PM PDT by HalleysFifth
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