Posted on 10/23/2004 7:39:50 PM PDT by aculeus
The Khmer Rouge followed a harsh brand of communism, killing nearly two million people in their bid to return Cambodia to Year Zero. Now they have a new faith: evangelical Christianity.
Hundreds of former fighters have been baptised in the past year. The Khmer Rouge's mountain stronghold, the town of Pailin in south-west Cambodia, has four churches, all with pastors and growing congregations. At least 2,000 of those who followed Pol Pot, the guerrillas' former leader who died six years ago, now worship Jesus.
Many new converts were involved in the bloody battles, massacres and forced labour programmes that led to the Killing Fields. Between 1975 and 1979 the Khmer Rouge sought to eradicate religion, ripping down the country's biggest cathedral, killing Muslim clerics and turning Buddhist temples into pigsties.
According to one pastor, 70 per cent of the converts in Pailin are Khmer Rouge. For many, it offers a hope of salvation. 'When I was a soldier I did bad things. I don't know how many we killed. We were following orders and thought it was the right thing to do,' said Thao Tanh, 52. 'I read the Bible and I know it will free me from the weight of the sins I have committed.'
The Khmer Rouge have been the focus of a drive by US-based religious groups. Lee Samith, a senior aide of Pailin's governor, was a military intelligence officer for the Khmer Rouge and one of the cadres to convert. He had been repeatedly visited by a missionary from a Colorado-based group, who showed films of the life of Christ.
'I opened my heart and Jesus came in,' said Lee, 36. Like 90 per cent of Cambodians, he was previously a Buddhist. Now he is involved in the New Life Presbyterian Church, on the outskirts of Pailin. Its wooden walls are covered with Christmas decorations and colourful posters portraying the life of Jesus.
But Lee has yet to shed all his former ideology. 'Pol Pot had good ideas for Cambodia and for all people,' he said. 'Only foreigners talk about genocide. Deaths due to class conflict are inevitable.'
After being ousted from Phnom Penh, the Cambodian capital, in 1979 by the Vietnamese, the Khmer Rouge withdrew to the mountains to fight a series of regimes.
Pailin, which is rich in timber and gems, has been the economic springboard for the movement since its beginnings. It is a rough place, full of bamboo brothels and bars selling bad alcohol and worse food. It is reached by a 50-mile road so rutted and potholed that it takes even 4WD vehicles more than three hours to negotiate. The thickly forested hills, scene of dozens of battles over 30 years, are heavily mined.
But the Khmer Rouge has now largely been brought in from the cold. Pailin's governor is a member of the Cambodian Prime Minister's party, despite being a former bodyguard of Pol Pot. His deputy, Kuoet Sothea, a key aide of the genocidal leader, told The Observer that many of his former comrades-in-arms 'feel sorry for what they did. National unity and solidarity is the main aim now'.
Several senior figures, such as 'Duch' - Kang Kek Ieu - who ran the S21 complex in Phnom Penh where an estimated 16,000 people died, have converted to Christianity. Their new faith offers more than spiritual comfort. After years of negotiation with the UN, the Cambodian government has reluctantly agreed to put those responsible for the genocide of the late 1970s on trial.
Several Khmer Rouge leaders live in villas in Pailin, profiting from large farms, logging of hardwood forests and gem mining. Though many are old, they now fear dying in prison. Christian repentance is likely to mitigate any sentence they might receive.
Kun Lung, 49, started as a bodyguard for the senior commanders and became the Khmer Rouge's best-known propagandist, responsible for bloodcurdling broadcasts on their infamous radio station. He was baptised recently and now organises Pailin Radio, describing 'God's work' in two daily programmes.
However, although it is the senior commanders who will stand trial, the missionaries, funded by evangelical associations in America, South Korea and Singapore, have found most of their converts among the middle and lower ranks of the Khmer Rouge.
Most veterans now eke out a living as landless labourers on the estates of their former political chiefs. They live in flimsy shacks and work 15-hour days. With no government or international aid, local amenities are scarce. There is one dilapidated health clinic for 30,000 people.
The missionaries have built an orphanage and Bible schools. One pastor is planning a kindergarten. Other groups have built wells, marked 'A gift from Jesus'. Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004
Yes, we are all corrupt and wicked to the core and rebellious and utterly corrupt and lost in our sin and have no hope of escaping God's righteous justice of His perfect standard, without His mercy and grace and HIS providing for us salvation Himself, through the blood of Christ.
Read the first 2 or 3 chapters of Romans. All men are guilty before God, none are better than others. Only God's righteousness, through faith in Jesus can cover us and protect us from judgement.
He is merciful to save our souls by purchasing us (from His judgement and eternal death) with His own blood. He is good. He has provided a way to be forgiven.
Their "forgiveness" has two parts. The one having to do with God has nothing to do with you or me. But who are we to decide if they ought be "forgiven" as you and I have not been murdered, had our family murdered, had our children murdered. I don't think we have anything to do with whether those dead people forgive or not, they are dead.
Are you suggesting earthly justice ought to be waived because you see them as forgiven?
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You make a valid point. Not being the victims of their offenses, it is not within our power or authority to forgive them. How to deal with them will have to be a decision of their victims or (in the case of the murdered dead) their lawful representatives, i.e., the victims' relatives. And these individuals are within their rights to demand the severest penalty, to the extent that the deeds of specific perpetrators can be validly determined. That, of course, is the problem: it can be extremely hard or impossible to determine exactly who did what to whom in these situations, except for a fairly small percentage of the surviving perpetrators.
In cases where the facts are difficult or impossible to determine, there can be an overwhelming temptation to "kill them all, and let Jesus sort out the details". Those who are tempted in that way need to know that they will be held accountable for their deeds according to the standards they applied to others. Judgement is inevitable, but be careful of the standard of judgement one chooses to apply to others.
Note the warnings
(immediately after the "Lord's model prayer" for believers)
Matt 6:14-15 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
In the other great passage on judgement, in Matt 7, too many stop at verse 1, not noticing that most of the rest of the chapter provides some critical benchmarks for the unavoidable task of exercising judgement. Thus the thrust of the chapter is not "don't judge" (which those who stop at verse 1 would like us to think) but rather: exercising sound judgement is a grave and difficult responsibility, so be sure you give those you judge the same benefits of any doubts that you would hope others would give you in similar circumstances because--- verse 2: For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
For Americans, that might include the following consideration: we live in a nation which has sanctioned the killing of tens of millions of inconvenient unborn people.
There are no "innocent bystanders" to all of this; it's well known to all. How will we fare if our standards of judgement of others is applied to us when we stand before the true Supreme Court as our case is decided?
For those who are "in the family" (this does not apply to the entire family of mankind, only those within the Christian community), there is a specific teaching on handling personal offenses found in Matt 18
Dealing with a Sinning Brother
15 "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that "by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'[2] 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
18 "Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. 19 "Again I say[3] to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."
The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant
21 Then Peter came to Him and said, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?" 22 Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. 23 Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, "Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.' 27 Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt. 28 "But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, "Pay me what you owe!' 29 So his fellow servant fell down at his feet[4] and begged him, saying, "Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.'[5] 30 And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. 31 So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. 32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, "You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?' 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
35 "So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses."[6]
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Unfortunately, this teaching like many others has been frequently "honored with the lips, but not in the heart and with deeds". It remains the standard, however, for those who sincerely seek the Kingdom of God.
Ping
That's pretty close to a concordance.
If you know someone is committing murder and you do nothing to stop it, does that make you guilty of a crime as well?
1. The Khmer Rouge kill an entire generation of Buddhist Monks, weakening the Khmer Sangha.
2. Young people (teen boys mostly) are converting to Islam and going to Pakistan to study before returning as clerics.
3. There is no way under Buddhist beliefs that these old men could make merit to offset what they have done. Reincarnation can be a b!tch.
to my knowledge....cajun girl has not committed genocide.
let God bless them when they get where they ought to be getting to....the sooner the better....like that born again Tucker axe butcher down in Texas....maybe she's alright with God now but I for one feel better with her gone.
It makes you culpable morally if you could stop it arguably.
It makes you culpable legally if something you did faciliated the murder.
Like Kerry and Harkin swapping spit with the murdering Ortega brothers in Nicaragua or Carter buttboying with Fidel who has killed at least 100s of thousands in Cuber.
the wages quote is from Shakespeare not a Bible
Is this part of the Jesus Film Project? If so, wow!
Yes it is very good news....Praise God!
Too late for Pol Pot.
Far better a Christian Khmer Rouge than a Atheist Nihilist Khmer Rouge.
Yes you're right. Look at Algore.
I do not suggest "kill them all". But I suggest that those who may be identified and proven to have committed murders get swift justice. That is possible. And you may be confident of their repentence but I am not and I am not in a position to judge the sincerety of that. Nor is that a question for the law. I just think the law, justice right her on earth, is due these guys. And anything having to do with God or Christians is not my focus. I don't make judgements about their faith or what God thinks nor do I assume anythiing. Other than alot of these guys need to be brought to justice and a religious conversion won't change my mind.
I hope that those who did evil have repented and changed their ways but that should not be the end of it. It annoys me how some people cheapen God's grace by saying that if some murderer repents, that murderer should not face the ultimate human justice. Just because some people might have a different relationship to God does nothing to erase the evil that they did and it does nothing to lessen the need for judgement and justice on earth. And the victims of injustice should be helped when possible, whether they are Christian or not.
Wardaddy, thank you for defending me against the genocide charge. Although the fleas which dared to inhabit my house at once point due to a pesky labrador retriever might dare to disagree. And the mosquitoes which inhabit my yard at times. And the roaches, yes the roaches, which down here in Louisiana are always on the march.
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This here is a mighty strange planet.....
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