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Zogby still shows it tied today - B46, K46
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Posted on 10/20/2004 5:03:51 AM PDT by TBBT

Zogby still shows it tied. I was hoping for a 1 or 2 point uptick for Bush since one weekend day has rolled off. Wonder were it will be when Sunday rolls off?....


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To: neutrality
I agree some people are too quick to dismiss some polls, but Zogby is in general more favorable to Kerry.

And is it possible that, as much as we don't like to hear this, so are the voters - at least at this point? Still, these are national polls. I can't see why someone on this site can't accept that Bush might again lose the popular vote and win the electoral vote.

21 posted on 10/20/2004 5:19:47 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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To: TBBT

Bush up +3.5 is terrific (considering debates, war,etc.)...now time to keep the momentum rising!

RCP Average 10/14 - 10/18 48.7% 45.2% 1.7% Bush +3.5
FOX News (1000 LV) 10/17 - 10/18 49% 42% 2% Bush +7
NBC/WSJ (LV w/leaners) 10/16 - 10/18 48% 48% 1% TIE
ABC/Wash Post (1203 LV)* 10/16 - 10/18 51% 46% 1% Bush +5
Zogby (1208 LV) 10/16 - 10/18 45% 45% 2% TIE
TIPP (807 LV) 10/15 - 10/18 48% 46% 2% Bush +2
CBS News (678 LV) 10/14 - 10/17 47% 45% 2% Bush +2
CNN/USAT/Gallup (788 LV) 10/14 - 10/16 52% 44% 1% Bush +8
Time (865 LV w/leaners) 10/14 - 10/15 48% 47% 3% Bush +1
Newsweek (LV) 10/14 - 10/15 50% 44% 1% Bush +6
GW/Battleground (1000 LV) 10/11 - 10/14 49% 46% 0% Bush +3
CBS News (760 LV) 10/9 - 10/11 48% 45% 2% Bush +3
ICR (763 LV) 10/9 - 10/11 48% 43% 2% Bush +5
CNN/USAT/Gallup (793 LV) 10/9 - 10/10 48% 49% 1% Kerry +1


22 posted on 10/20/2004 5:20:02 AM PDT by IndianPrincessOK (Native American pleading for Truth!)
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To: Jose Roberto
"Zog brother James said he is for Kerry!"

Not just his bro! This is a familial affliction!

Straits Times, Singapore - Oct 17, 2004 "... test will come on Nov 2. In Singapore last Friday, he (Zogby) flatly predicted that Mr Kerry would become the 44th President of the United States."

Now, I have my doubts as to what kind of an unbiased scientist can possibly predict an election that he himself has tied and do it over two weeks into the future.

The guy's in the tank for Kerry just like his brother. If his poll looks like it's an outlier, just ignore it. You'll sleep better.

23 posted on 10/20/2004 5:20:55 AM PDT by Sooth2222
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To: Portrait of a Lady
Tina asked, 'So, who's going to win the election?" Zogby replied, "John Kerry."

That's not good news. However, Bush's approval rate is WAY below the 50% reelect rate. You can't beat math with hope and ignorance.

24 posted on 10/20/2004 5:21:29 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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To: ClintonBeGone

"What I think Zogby does is cook his polls until the final one comes out. Then he can claim to be accurate while still have done his best to put his man across the top. I have no respect for him as a pollster. "

Absolutely AGREE! When it gets down to 3-4 days before elections of Nov.2...watch for his polling to become more "accurate" to the rest.....let's watch and see!


25 posted on 10/20/2004 5:23:04 AM PDT by IndianPrincessOK (Native American pleading for Truth!)
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To: ClintonBeGone

Are you dilusional or what....RCP average JA 49.4.....that is hardly "Way" below 50%


26 posted on 10/20/2004 5:23:27 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Jose Roberto

It is hard to believe that America is even considering Kerry! If Kerry wins then America will take the greatest turn to the left this nation has ever made.

It is ashame that many Americans are so stupid that they think they they are voting for the Kerry of today and not the 20 year Kerry.

If Kerry would just be truthful about his 20 year record and his liberal votes there is no way he would be elected.

Sadly many American voters are in reality too dumb to vote!

May God help us on November 2nd.


27 posted on 10/20/2004 5:23:32 AM PDT by RepublicanJoe (Australia's governor general resigned yesterday, just days after a court dismissed allegations)
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To: billva
Zogby was right on in 2000, about the Bush and Gore presidential election, and was one of the few to get it right. In 2002, however he was and I quote; "shocked" and I say shocked, by the Republican takeover of the Senate, and addition of seats in the House of Representatives. He was off by over 7 points of what he predicted the outcome to be, where he had Democrats keeping control of the senate and gaining seats in the house.

Like in any sport as it is said you are only as good as your last game. If this is the case for Zogby, Bush will win in a landslide.





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28 posted on 10/20/2004 5:24:06 AM PDT by phnxAndrew (Rather in line for News Anchor for Pravda)
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To: ClintonBeGone

Tina asked, 'So, who's going to win the election?" Zogby replied, "John Kerry."

I believe that remark was made by his brother...but still agree he is definitely Dem leaning!!!


29 posted on 10/20/2004 5:24:15 AM PDT by IndianPrincessOK (Native American pleading for Truth!)
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To: IndianPrincessOK
Absolutely AGREE! When it gets down to 3-4 days before elections of Nov.2...watch for his polling to become more "accurate" to the rest.....let's watch and see!

People that believe this are living in a fantasy land. The quote you took from my post was a quote of someone else, not my thinking.

30 posted on 10/20/2004 5:24:39 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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To: ClintonBeGone
And is it possible that, as much as we don't like to hear this, so are the voters - at least at this point? Still, these are national polls. I can't see why someone on this site can't accept that Bush might again lose the popular vote and win the electoral vote.

People here are too eager to discount that with which they disagree. We thought Election Night 2000 was going to be a big celebration; everyone here better prepare themselves for a nailbiter again this year.

31 posted on 10/20/2004 5:25:22 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: ClintonBeGone
Some might look at it another way - that people like yourself cook your perceptions unil the final one, which is the actual election result, so you can detatch yourself from reality for as long a period as possible.

One might say that, and then if they did it would probably be someone who didn't watch Zogby in action in the 2000 election. His final poll was far more accurate than his polls in the final month which consistently showed Gore ahead. Then his final poll was very accurate.

But thanks for your insult for a rather benien comment on my part. Seems you have an agenda.

32 posted on 10/20/2004 5:26:01 AM PDT by billva
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To: ClintonBeGone

I just said I WON'T; it's been done repeatedly. He's a one-trick pony. One trick. One time. Almost all else he's done is laughably wrong. But do go on and follow the one-trick pony. Free country and all that...


33 posted on 10/20/2004 5:26:23 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: traderrob6

"Are you dilusional or what....RCP average JA 49.4.....that is hardly "Way" below 50%"

Not dilusional, just factual.

"Bush's job approval rating was at 44 percent, one of the lowest during his tenure, and a majority of voters said they disapproved the way he had handled the economy and the war in Iraq, and that his tax cuts had favored the wealthy."

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-10/20/content_2113186.htm



34 posted on 10/20/2004 5:26:48 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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To: ClintonBeGone
"Zogby is normally right on in a presidential race. Don't pay attention to the national polls. Try to appreciate the state by state polls and the electorial college breakdown" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thats the biggest joke I have heard so far this morning. :) Zogby was sort of right ONCE in a presidential race.This was clearly a fluke. Even a broken own clock gets the time right twice every day. Since then he has proceeded to be wildly wrong in the 2002 elections in which ole Zogby, the jihadist, confidently predicted a "Democratic Party Landslide" in the US Senate elections, only for the Republicans to win those elections decisvely. Zogby wasn't even close. In fact you'd have had better results just asking any monkey to predict the results of those elections. LOL! Not content with that, the Democratic partisan Zogby then proceeded to predict a massive win for Cruz Bustemante by over 10% ibn the California recall elections, only for Arnold to win by over 10%!! Zogby was out to the tune of 20% +!! What does this guy use for his polls, voodoo or hocus pocus or just fraud to help his pals in Al Quaeda and the Democratic Party defeat President Bush? Personally I think all of the above. It sure is not science.
35 posted on 10/20/2004 5:26:52 AM PDT by KwasiOwusu
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To: ClintonBeGone

Actually I think Bush might win the popular vote by a few hunded thousand but might lose the electoral battle, due to courts, fraud, what have you....then you would hear nary a peep about the electoral college from the Dems who previously wanted it changed or abolished!


36 posted on 10/20/2004 5:27:39 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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To: phnxAndrew
Like in any sport as it is said you are only as good as your last game.

We're talking presidential elections. His last game was 2000, and there he was spot on bro.

37 posted on 10/20/2004 5:27:48 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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To: NittanyLion
People here are too eager to discount that with which they disagree.

I agree with you. I've been here since 1998 and I've never seen so many people in denial and rolling in apparent indifference, like pigs in sh*t. LOL

38 posted on 10/20/2004 5:29:40 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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To: ClintonBeGone

K ....come to the conclusion you are either a Troll or indredibly mecicated, one poll a CBS poll had his JA at 44%.....the RCP average of all polls (which has proven to be far more reliable the a single poll) has the JA average at 49.4%....Typical Dim argument based on isolated selected data rather than looking at the whole picture


39 posted on 10/20/2004 5:30:26 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: billva
What I think Zogby does is cook his polls until the final one comes out. Then he can claim to be accurate while still have done his best to put his man across the top.

I have heard he did this very thing in '00.

40 posted on 10/20/2004 5:31:00 AM PDT by Preachin' (Kerry/Rather 2004)
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