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Is Oil Heading For $100? (Why has Wall Street missed it so badly?)
Forbes ^ | 10.19.04 | Dan Ackman

Posted on 10/19/2004 6:52:31 PM PDT by Truth666

NEW YORK - Yesterday, in writing about the rise in oil prices--which have roughly doubled in a year--I noted, "No one saw it coming." (See: "Oil Hits $55 Alarm; Greenspan Hits Snooze.")
As it turns out, a few people did see it. And now some of those seers are saying the recent "spike" is no spike at all, but the start of a long-term trend. It may be that the price of a barrel of oil is heading for $100, if not higher, by the end of the decade.
To be sure, the conventional wisdom is that oil prices, which fell a bit yesterday to about $53 per barrel, are going no higher and will likely fall back. That seems to be the view of Wall Street firms, most of which say as much in their research reports. Bear Stearns (nyse: BSC - news - people ), for instance, last month forecast a $25 price in 2005. Even relative "bulls" like Goldman Sachs (nyse: GS - news - people ) are talking about whether prices in the high $30 range might be sustained.

That investors as a whole see the current price jump as a blip is shown by the fact that, while prices of shares in oil companies like Exxon-Mobil (nyse: XOM - news - people ) or BP (nyse: BP - news - people ), and oil services firms, like Schlumberger (nyse: SLB - news - people ) or Transocean (nyse: RIG - news - people ) have risen, they have not risen by anything like the price of the oil they drill and sell.

"To the best of my knowledge, not once [since 1998 when oil was around $11 per barrel] has any Wall Street firm forecast oil prices to be on a yearly uptrend," says Stephen Leeb, president of Leeb Capital Management, a New York investment manager and author of The Oil Factor (Warner Business 2004). Why has Wall Street missed it so badly? Leeb suggests that the answer lies not in economics, but in mass psychology, specifically studies of social conformity.

Leeb himself is forecasting higher, indeed skyrocketing, prices. He is not part of a crowd, but he is not all alone either. He is joined by, among others, Matthew Simmons, chairman of Simmons & Company International, an energy banking firm in Houston. Simmons speaks of a phenomenon called "Peak Oil" and says it is "as inevitable as death," though, like death, predicting its precise timing is not easy. Leeb and Simmons point out that, unlike the oil crisis of the late 1970s and early 1980s, which was a political phenomenon, the current price increases are fueled by supply and demand, which are less transitory than politics.

What is the scenario in which oil hits $100 per barrel in the next five or six years?

Just as the current price increases are said to be fueled in part by rising demand from China and India, those countries will also play a large role in the long term. Leeb says that China and India now consume energy (not just oil, but all forms of power) at a per capita rate that is one half the world average. Compared to the rich nations like the U.S. and Western Europe, their per capita consumption is one-seventh as large. If these two countries become wealthy, as everyone expects they will, and merely start to consume like the rest of the world (forget about their consuming like the U.S.), that rise in demand will have a dramatic impact on world energy markets.

Leeb estimates that if China and India continue to grow, the demand for oil will rise by 6.1% per year. To meet such demand, the world would have to raise output by 43% by 2010 and to triple it in 20 years.

Is such an increase plausible? Simmons points out that, while new discoveries are certainly possible, even likely, 70% of the world's daily supply comes from fields that have been drilled for 30 years or more. Leeb adds that even Saudi Arabia, despite a stagnant economy, consumes 24% of the oil it drills. In order for it to boost production, it will have to consume a higher percentage of what it makes. As for the world's second largest oil exporter, Russia, if its economy weren't a basket case, it might be using its entire output internally.

Leeb says that during the last oil crisis, the world was producing at 70% capacity. Now it's at 99%. Because there is no slack in the system, every time there is a trial in Russia, a strike in Venezuela, a hurricane off Louisiana or a surge in violence in the Middle East, the oil markets react dramatically. The good news is that we are more efficient than in the 1980s, and we spend a much smaller share of gross domestic product on energy. But while demand may slack off short term due to slower growth, the longer term is troubling regardless of new production technology or far better conservation.

Where have we heard this before? In the 1970s and 1980s, some prognosticators spoke about the world "running out of oil." That prospect is not what drives the current fears. It is the apparently inevitable supply-and-demand driven market movements that may force the price of oil to $100. And that's a lot scarier.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: energyprices; oil
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To: zeugma

Soros & Co are Enemies of Mankind, and need to be whacked into permanent dirt-naps.


81 posted on 10/20/2004 6:53:40 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: papasmurf
There is a company right now profitably making oil out of leftover turkey parts. They claim to be able to process just about anything organic. I can't remember what the website is for it, but I've got an alarm set to have me hit their website every 6 months to check out how they are doing.
82 posted on 10/20/2004 7:15:00 AM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm
Soros & Co are Enemies of Mankind, and need to be whacked into permanent dirt-naps.

Hitler already tried.

83 posted on 10/20/2004 8:38:16 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: Truth666

Oil shouldn't be above $40/bbl. Somethings going on.


84 posted on 10/20/2004 8:39:22 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: All

Again : I took one minute to compute that figure, as of one week ago, and the result was ... 66.1%
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1043049/posts?#23


85 posted on 10/20/2004 10:48:11 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: JasonC
We pay for foreign goods with domestic services, and by allowing foreigners to invest here.

That tide has reversed.


86 posted on 10/20/2004 11:27:42 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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So much for that whole WAR FOR OIL theory!!


87 posted on 10/20/2004 11:36:27 AM PDT by Legion04
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To: Truth666

Latest numbers - Four Week Average Ending 10/15/04 : 67.06%


88 posted on 10/20/2004 8:37:56 PM PDT by Truth666
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To: Kornev
Wage deflation is happening, bigtime.

You have any proof to back up this claim or is it just a feeling you have?

89 posted on 10/21/2004 9:43:19 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Hey, look at me, I'm a math major.)
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To: stylin_geek

Bingo! You win the prize.


90 posted on 10/21/2004 9:46:16 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Kerry is a Nuanced Nuisance!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Exactly! If it's good enough for France...


91 posted on 10/21/2004 9:46:43 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Kerry is a Nuanced Nuisance!)
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To: eno_

Christian eschatology is about as scientific as a junior climber trying to work out how to climb a mountain by looking at the tea-leaves in his thermos cup.


92 posted on 10/21/2004 9:47:50 PM PDT by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Watching the IT sector's wages, as an unemployed worker. And seeing how jobs that were $25/hr with benefits are now going for $10 without benefits. firsthand experience, but it's real.


93 posted on 10/21/2004 11:09:38 PM PDT by Kornev
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To: Kornev
Watching the IT sector's wages, as an unemployed worker. And seeing how jobs that were $25/hr with benefits are now going for $10 without benefits. firsthand experience, but it's real.

So, "Wage deflation is happening, bigtime" is based on one unemployed worker and his observations, no hard numbers?

94 posted on 10/21/2004 11:29:19 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Hey, look at me, I'm a math major.)
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To: AdamSelene235

If I want to buy Oil futures, all I need is about $3300 to control 1000 barrels of oil or at these prices $55,000. This hasn't changed since oil was $20 a barrel. All the SEC has to do is make mandatory a pecentage of the contract, say 10-15% be paid to own the contact on margin. You would see the bastids run for the hills and oil would be the price it should be without the speculators. It could be done overnight to lower the price of oil. Allot of these people don't have but 10 grand to make a few hundred a day scalping oil and gold futures. If the margin doubled, it wouldn't hurt the businesses that need the oil so much, but would kill the speculator.


95 posted on 10/21/2004 11:54:22 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: Toddsterpatriot

sigh, live it up, I guess.


96 posted on 10/22/2004 1:04:16 AM PDT by Kornev
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To: Toddsterpatriot
one's personal exp. is often more trustworthy than any govt. or business stat sheet.....

sort of like the theory that insects know before humans do about an earthquake about to happen....it hits them first.....

97 posted on 10/22/2004 1:35:09 AM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry
one's personal exp. is often more trustworthy than any govt. or business stat sheet.....

Well, in that case, all my friends got double digits raises this year. The economy must be booming.

98 posted on 10/22/2004 6:49:37 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Hey, look at me, I'm a math major.)
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To: Sooth2222
Get a Grip! How much milk do you consume compared to gasoline. Petroleum is used in about every product in your house can you say that about milk.
99 posted on 10/22/2004 7:13:20 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: nonkultur
I don't think we would have to turn to anything so expensive as coal liquefaction. IF high prices are seen for the long term there are plenty of high production cost petroleum wells that could be drilled still at a lower cost than using coal to create "synthetic" oil (e.g. d very deep offshore wells, very deep in the earth wells, oils shales, etc.). The fact that oil companies are not beginning to drill those higher production cost wells indicates they do not think high prices will last. Watch the rig count: it has barely budged since oil prices began rising. I believe the current price increase is 70% market manipulation and maybe 30% increased demand from China and India (notice how petroleum demand in the Western world has decreased with the end of driving season but the price has continued to skyrocket).
100 posted on 10/22/2004 7:30:34 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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