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Confederate Flag still an issue?
eastcarolinian ^ | October 14, 2004 | Peter Kalajian

Posted on 10/19/2004 5:14:54 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

As I drove down 5th street yesterday, I spied a bumper sticker that addresses an issue I have been waiting for an excuse to write about. It was in the back window of a pickup truck, whose ability to operate I found simply amazing, strategically situated between an empty gun rack and another sticker depicting Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes fame) urinating on "Osama" with a devilish grin on his face.

I will leave the "Osama" reference and defamation of an innocent newspaper comic strip character alone for the purposes of this article, and will concentrate on the content of the other bumper sticker. It was a simple, Confederate flag, next to which was written the words, "Heritage not Hate". Now, if I have ever read something more deserving of one of my diatribes, I cannot recall.

This statement, which for the record I believe to be sheer nonsense, speaks of an issue with which I had very limited experience before relocating to North Carolina, but an issue of importance nonetheless.

All my life, the Confederate flag was something of a joke to me. M history classes in high school and earlier had taught me that the Confederate defeat during the Civil War was a good thing, that the moral argument against slavery (espoused by the Lincoln government in Washington) was a black and white issue, about right and wrong, and that the Union triumph is 1865 was righteous.

Granted, the history I was taught spoke from a biased perspective, from the moral high ground of the abolitionists and northern intellectuals, and never really addressed the true, underlying reasons for the Civil War, which I would come to learn much later. After considering all the information I have been able to locate on the subject, after long hours of trying to understand just where the Confederacy was coming from and why they wanted to defend their way of life, I have come to a few conclusions.

Naturally, these conclusions reflect my upbringing and Northern perspective, and I am more than confident than my loyal readers will have more than a few comments of their own to contribute.

First of all, "Heritage not Hate", is an extreme cop out. Sure, the Confederate flag, displayed in the year 2004, some 140 years after the actual conflict ended, may stand for some long forgotten Southern pride issue. It may stand for the struggles that people in the Southeastern region of the United States suffered through and the wars that they fought.

It may stand for some perceived difference between the North and South, which apparently has persisted to this day, and may fondly recall the era of Southern dominance of the United States.

Woops, little mistake there. The South has never "dominated" anything. It is another region within the greater whole, just as it was then and remains so today. As for the "Not Hate" part of the bumper sticker, a more laughable statement I cannot recall. There are far too many damning coincidences that will forever relegate the Stars and Bars to the level of racist propaganda.

Why is it that hate groups all over the country, to this day, fly the Confederate flag as a symbol of their ideology. White Supremacist organizations,

, the sad, pitiful remnants of the Klu Klux Klan, along with many other neo-Nazi and racially motivated groups all include the Confederate flag amongst their symbols of worship.

Is this coincidence? Are people who fly the Confederate flag, be it in bumper sticker form or on the end of a flagpole, trying to align themselves with such openly evil and backward-thinking organizations? I don't think so. I think that people fly the flag to recall the once glorious Confederated states of America and celebrate their history, while at the same time somehow overlooking the racial implications inherent in the very symbol they hold so high.

Make no mistake. Whether you choose to recognize it or not, the fact remains the same: The Confederate flag is a racist symbol. It was during the Civil War, it remains so today. I challenge anyone to show me an African-American person with a Confederate Flag bumper sticker or "The South will rise again" written in their computers screensaver.

Is this a coincidence? You would sooner find a swastika flying outside the Israel embassy as you would a Confederate flag flying at an N.A.A.C.P rally. To me, the symbols have long been morally relative to each other. Both stand for hate, oppression, and the wanton murder and destruction of a group of people because of some perceived inferiorities. Plantation owners in the South, before and during the Civil War, treated slaves the same way they treated horses and sheep.

They were not human beings, quite the contrary. They could be bought and sold like farm equipment and with as much compassion. So to during the Nazi era in Germany; Jews were not considered people in the same way that German citizens were, therefore their wholesale murder could be justified. Anyone who cannot see the glaring similarities between the Confederate flag and the Swastika needs to pick up a history book and do some research.

If you care to display a symbol that represents the brutality and viciousness and lack of humanity that was involved in something like the slave trade, as the Confederate flag clearly does, you are entitled. The first Amendment to the Constitution allows you the freedom to display just about whatever you care to, but consider this. If you are going to fly the Stars and Bars, don't sugar coat it. Don't downplay the racial aspects and idealize the cultural aspects. They are one in the same.

Be up front and honest about your feelings. Confederacy= Hate I think would be a far more realistic bumper sticker, and as we speak I am in negotiations to have a number of said bumper stickers produced. Let us just call a spade a spade and forget about the "Heritage not Hate" nonsense. It is hateful, you know it is, and beating around the bush about it only takes away from the power of the argument. Let the responsive mud slinging commence!


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KEYWORDS: american; confederate; confederateflag; dixie; dixietrash; flag; hate; heritage; hicks; history; honor; kkk; neoconfederate; rebels; redneckhumor; rednecks; south
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To: TexConfederate1861
Neither is your stupidity in calling him a coward......

Well one man's hero is another man's cowardly, murdering, back-shooting sot. Go figure.

881 posted on 12/14/2004 2:11:16 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Dazedcat

I didn't have a bad experience when I visited NY, but I don't think Watie would lie about such a thing. I am quite sure that there are people in NY that act badly, just as there are the same kind in Texas. Watie loves the South, just as I do. That doesn't make him an idiot. I would also add, that even though some Southerners may not be as bombastic, the spirit of independence and love of their land and region is probably one thing you find attractive about the South.


882 posted on 12/14/2004 2:15:00 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Let me pose you a question: If your government sent someone to assasinate a foreign leader, would you expect him to announce the fact and shoot him in the face?

Or would you do as the Mossad does, and use stealth to assassinate the man, so that you have a relatively reasonable chance of killing the man?!

I realize you hate Booth, but the man was no coward for using stealth.


883 posted on 12/14/2004 2:18:33 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
I realize you hate Booth, but the man was no coward for using stealth.

No man is a hero who gets boozed up and shoots a man in the back in the presence of his wife.

884 posted on 12/14/2004 3:47:01 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I'm still waiting for an answer to the question?
And now another: Does an assassin worry about the presence of a spouse? Does the Mossad care about such measures? Would the Secret Service care?

You are avoiding the questions, because you don't like the logical answers.....


885 posted on 12/14/2004 4:30:48 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: TexConfederate1861

Yes indeed. He MEANT to commit an act of cowardice. I agree it was indeed intentional.


886 posted on 12/14/2004 5:08:35 PM PST by Melas
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To: Melas

Yes...I can tell you are certainly no native Texan.
The question was directed at the Lincoln-Loving Poster Boy, Noni....not you. But since you chime in, answer the questions logically, not with a stupid, meaningless retort.


887 posted on 12/14/2004 5:17:08 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: stainlessbanner

Slavery existed under the American flag for 90 years...relatively speaking the American flag is just as much a racist symbol as the Confederate flag is. And I won't even start on why the American Indian might see the American flag as a symbol of racism.


888 posted on 12/14/2004 5:28:18 PM PST by cougar_mccxxi
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To: TexConfederate1861

Ah, yes, all native Texan's are worshippers at the feet of John Wilkes Booth? What have you been smoking?


889 posted on 12/14/2004 5:51:43 PM PST by Melas
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To: Melas

Answer the question or go away.


890 posted on 12/14/2004 6:44:25 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Oh font of Yankee wisdom...yooohooo!

I am still waiting for an answer to my questions, or will you send another "Brigade" Flunky to attempt to distract me again :)


891 posted on 12/14/2004 6:46:47 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

He is when he eliminates a Tyrant :)
And his wife has absolutely nothing to do with it.


892 posted on 12/14/2004 6:49:42 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: TexConfederate1861

Comparing scum like Booth with the Secret Service or Mossad is asinine. Comparing him with Oswald would be more appropriate.


893 posted on 12/14/2004 6:50:53 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Booth is just as legitimate an asasssin as any other. There is even growing proof that the Confederate Government ordered it. Which makes it even MORE legitimate.
You are skirting the issue, and avoiding the truth.


895 posted on 12/14/2004 6:58:23 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
There is even growing proof that the Confederate Government ordered it. Which makes it even MORE legitimate.

There is no proof that the confederate government ordered it. Booth was a man too cowardly to fight for his 'country' so turned to murder instead. His courage came not from patriotism but from brandy. At least other assassins like Charles Guiteau or Leon Czolgosz had the courage to look their victim in the eye before pulling the trigger. They didn't creep up and shoot someone in the back.

896 posted on 12/15/2004 3:41:39 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

There was an article in Civil War Times about two years ago that dealt with the conspiracy theory, and the evidence was very strong that the "hit" was ordered, because Stanton had ordered a hit on Jefferson Davis and his cabinet. The article looked pretty convincing. John Wilkes Booth was an assassin who shot a man in the back of the head. The Mossad has done the same thing, but from a further distance. Brandy has nothing to do with it. The bottom line here, is you just don't like the man. That is your right. However, I don't believe he was a coward, and you will have to provide hard evidence to prove it. Every description of Booth's death describes him going down fighting.


897 posted on 12/15/2004 5:10:10 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
There was an article in Civil War Times about two years ago that dealt with the conspiracy theory, and the evidence was very strong ...

Sure. And with about 5 mintues time and a good search engine you can find websites that state the evidence is very strong that the conspiracy was headed by Stanton or Andrew Johnson or the international bankers or the Catholic Church or just about any leader other than that drunken SOB John Booth.

898 posted on 12/15/2004 6:28:38 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I agree, but no, this one was very convincing, David Herrold, one of the involved persons, was a member of the Confederate Secret Service. I wish I could find that issue. It was written by a Northern Professor if I recall.......


899 posted on 12/15/2004 7:05:27 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: Dazedcat
don't you wish you were correct????

what i said about our harassment at "ground zero" AND the FOOLS at the restaurant are FACTUAL.

i, too, wish they were not so. alas, they are CORRECT & i fear consistent with "knewyawk" & damnyankee society in general.

free dixie,sw

900 posted on 12/15/2004 8:20:01 AM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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