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To: Fatalis

Read more about Mr. Kerry's discharge(s):

Kerry Military Discharge Deception
Geoff Metcalf
Monday, Oct. 18, 2004
John Kerry is a thoroughly reprehensible person. When Lynn Cheney commented on Kerry, she said, “This is not a good man.” she was articulating a truism that sadly was a grossly inadequate means of describing the loathsome presidential wannabe.

I recently got a note from my old Battalion Commander asking if there is any substance to the controversy surrounding Kerry’s military discharge. I responded, “You damnbetcha!” I have previously written about questions surrounding Kerry’s discharge (9/10/04 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/9/9/154130.shtml) and the ginned up DD214 (8/23/04 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/23/95437.shtml). The growing conventional wisdom (in military circles) is that Kerry GOT a discharge but it was other than honorable. He subsequently got Clinton to sign the fix in 2001. HOWEVER, the more egregious aspect is his having been subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice when he met with the commies in Paris. THAT was and is chargeable!
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Reportedly, after the slug told a Senate hearing about his meetings with enemy agents, some senior Department of Defense types actually wanted to prosecute him. He was a Naval Reserve officer who had violated an excrement pot full of assorted laws and regulations.
However, the paranoid, dysfunctional Nixon White House allegedly didn’t want to fuel the anti-war gang rhetoric and so they made the strategic and tactical error of ignoring the obvious.

The Navy was p.o.-ed too. They yanked Kerry’s security clearance when it became axiomatic he was a Naval Reserve officer not to be trusted. One retired agent reportedly observed, “Lieutenant Kerry wasn’t cleared to know what time it was!”

The reason Kerry refuses to sign Standard Form 180 and release ALL his records (over a hundred pages still under wraps), doesn’t have ‘jack’ to do with medal inflation and hyperbolized heroics.

President Bush, former Vice President Gore, Senator McCain and others have authorized release of their records ... Kerry won’t!

Kerry’s Honorable Discharge some 30 years after his end of service (March 2001) is suspicious because it is so out of the ordinary.

There are five classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. It smells like Kerry’s ‘first’ discharge was probably no better than a ‘General’ discharge.

It has been suggested (and probably true) that the sandbagged records are loaded with appeal efforts and reports of his having provided “aid and comfort” to the enemy.

The mainstream co-conspirator/enablers media will not be able to ignore THIS elephant in the living room forever. Oh, they will try .... but if you think Clinton was harassed for sexual improprieties with an intern; get ready for a coordinated Military community Tsunami over Kerry’s FULL military record. The Monica mess will compare to a small yellow hole in a Montana snow bank when contrasted with the Kerry conundrum.


When Kerry went to Paris in the summer of 1970, he ‘claimed’ it was for his first honeymoon with heiress #1.
He met with assorted communists to engage in extensive discussions about plans, procedures and how to get the U.S. to surrender to Vietnam…WHILE HE WAS CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED AS A NAVAL RESERVE OFFICER.
Kerry’s covert lobbying were never reported to the Navy.
Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
As a commissioned officer, he was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war.
Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
Kerry claimed to be a war criminal on national television. The U.S. Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemy!”

The details of Kerry’s military record disaster have been floating through cyberspace for a couple of months thanks to A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team.

I called Steve to confirm he had authored the initial litany. You can check out his other efforts at http://www.authentiseal.org Thomas Lipscomb is adding to the compendium in the New York Sun http://www.nysun.com/article/3107.

Lipscomb observed Woodrow Wilson sent former presidential candidate Eugene Debs to prison for even demonstrating for peace negotiations with Germany during World War I.

Ambrose Bierce once observed, “The hardest tumble a man can make is to fall over his own bluff.” John Kerry’s fall is sure to rival Humpty Dumpty.


6 posted on 10/19/2004 8:39:51 AM PDT by 1smallVoice (Clinton brought us Bush)
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To: 1smallVoice
He subsequently got Clinton to sign the fix in 2001.

Am I missing something here....clintoon wasn't in office then, Bush was.

25 posted on 10/19/2004 9:03:41 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: 1smallVoice
For the record, I've read Mr. Libscomb's article, in which he states:

And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all.

He is not correct in his estimate.

Both voluntary and in-voluntary separation that results in an Honorable Discharge, are S.O.P.

Usually in the case of in-voluntary, there is a review performed by some Navy review board. Such instances occur typically when there is a purposeful reduction in force by the Dept. of Defense and/or the Dept. of the Navy.

That given, the matter of there being quite a lot of evidence to support some kind of official and/or un-official and/or politically-influenced (either way) investigation of Lt. Kerry's activities and relationships with the avowed enemies of the Unites States, probably existed.

28 posted on 10/19/2004 9:05:41 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: 1smallVoice

I have one question about this discharge story, why didn't anyone ask about it in the previous thirty years, before the last discharge was issued?


45 posted on 10/19/2004 9:26:56 AM PDT by Eva (W)
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To: 1smallVoice

ping!


47 posted on 10/19/2004 9:34:49 AM PDT by USMCVet
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To: 1smallVoice

BTTT


51 posted on 10/19/2004 9:46:26 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: 1smallVoice

Got your dates and presidents wrong. Jimmie Carter did the fix in 1978, not Clinton in 2001. Jimmie Carter once again proved that he was the worst president of the 20th century.


63 posted on 10/19/2004 10:37:25 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: 1smallVoice

Got your dates and presidents wrong. Jimmie Carter did the fix in 1978, not Clinton in 2001. Jimmie Carter once again proved that he was the worst president of the 20th century.


64 posted on 10/19/2004 10:37:28 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: 1smallVoice
I'm trying to understand these allegations. I think I have the general gist of it, but one thing I don't understand. I read about this the other day and in that piece, and here as well, there are references to Kerry getting his discharge in 2001 from Clinton. Wouldn't that be the wrong year? The other article/post (from a Navy SEAL group) referred to Clinton's scandal years as the time this occurred, but that would be much earlier than 2001. Clinton was gone by 2001, anyway. Can you clarify this for me? I've read versions of it many times and this has always puzzled me. If the discharge was in 2001, wouldn't Pres. Bush have had to be involved? That can't be right. I've also read references to Pres. Carter being involved in this, through actions directed toward draft dodgers during his administration. But the 2001 reference always throws me. What am I missing?

Another question I have is why Kerry's records aren't subject to FOIA. I thought other veterans' were. Can anyone shed light on this? Is there any hope this will come out pre-election?

67 posted on 10/19/2004 10:46:37 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: 1smallVoice

bump


84 posted on 10/19/2004 4:45:00 PM PDT by jokar (On line data base http://www.trackingthethreat.com/db/index.htm)
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To: 1smallVoice
Just know this is a key story that ABCNBCCBSCNNBBCAFPGUARDIANUKWASHPOSTNYTLATBOSTONGLOBE will cover completely.
NOT!
85 posted on 10/19/2004 5:43:25 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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