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Kerry's Social Security Lie Gaining Traction
Various News | 10/18/04

Posted on 10/18/2004 6:07:20 AM PDT by pabianice

Today brings word that the race in FL has become a dead heat, with several commentators noting that Kerry's ad blitz is scaring seniors away from Bush. Kerry has begun a campaign of lies regarding Social Security, frightening seniors with the story that Bush has told private supporters he will begin dismantling Social Security in January, to replace it with a "private system" that will benefit his supporters' investments. The ads reportedly also claim that existing SS payments will be cut as much as 45% by next year.

Unfortunately, FL voters seem to be buying the lie. Fox reports the race in FL is now dead even, when Bush had a 4 point lead as recently as last week. The vile "outing" of Cheney's daughter seems to have had no long-term effect on Kerry. Across the country, the race is again tightening, with Bush's likely electoral votes down to 254.

So... where is the line in campaigning? And why do Republicans bring a Nerf bat to a gun fight?


TOPICS: US: Florida; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: fearmongering; kerry; kerrylies; seniorvote; socialsecurity
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1 posted on 10/18/2004 6:07:20 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

They don't spell it FLORIDUHHHHHHHHHH for nothing.


2 posted on 10/18/2004 6:08:02 AM PDT by gunnygail (Founding member of the VRWC. --Black Helo crewman. (I operate the Liberal tinfoil hat scanner.)
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To: pabianice

The race in Florida isn't dead even. Fox is quoting the ONLY poll that shows it that way. It's called making news.


3 posted on 10/18/2004 6:09:16 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Vote Kerry! He knows what you've got and just who to give it to!)
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To: pabianice
I'm ready to start promoting the possibility that Kerry will legalize drug use. I say this because one of his principal backers, Soros, has this for a goal. Kerry has said nothing to admonish Soros for his dangerous stance toward drug use. Another of his largest private backers, Peter Lewis, also has some connection to drug use.

About a week ago, Michael Savage was talking about one of Kerry's grandfathers being a leader of the cartel responsible for importing opiates into China some 80+ years ago. I don't know, but we seem to have a couple of billionnaires, who favor drug use, bankrolling another billionnaire with some familial association to drug distribution. Just what is Kerrys plan?

4 posted on 10/18/2004 6:10:45 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: pabianice

Take a pill and lie down.


5 posted on 10/18/2004 6:10:53 AM PDT by TheBigB (OPEN YOUR EYES, Clark Kent! You belong with CHLOE!)
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To: ShandaLear

The media wants this to be a dead heat so they find a poll that calls it so. Pres Bush is going to spend some more time in Florida and will be blasting Kerry about his scaring senior citizens.

The media is despicable in their reporting in this election and I hope after the election everyone on here remembers how the media was so biased including some folks at Fox News. The only friends we have in the media are talk radio for the most part and a few newspapers. The TV media is a bad joke!


6 posted on 10/18/2004 6:13:24 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Vote for Dr. Tom)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Kerry is responsible for importing opiates into the USA.....they are called PLANS!!


7 posted on 10/18/2004 6:14:56 AM PDT by international american (Support our troops!! Send Kerry back to Bedlam,Massachusetts!!)
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To: pabianice

"And why do Republicans bring a Nerf bat to a gun fight?"

I would hardly call the Swift Boat vets a "nerf bat." What the old folks need to be made aware of is that it would take an act of Congress (several perhaps) to privatize any portion of social security. No President can do it through executive order or somehow "rush it through."


8 posted on 10/18/2004 6:16:00 AM PDT by bumblebee58 (We are sowing the seeds of our own destruction)
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To: international american

It's ironic that Kerry has a plan for everything but can't seem to explain any of them yet he can explain Bush's plans perfectly. LOL!


9 posted on 10/18/2004 6:16:59 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Vote Kerry! He knows what you've got and just who to give it to!)
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To: pabianice

It was inevitable that Kerry was going to demagogue Social Security in the final two weeks. That's exactly what Gore did four years ago, Kerry was saving this for now. The question is whether the Bush campaign was savvy enough to anticipate this. We'll find out soon enough.


10 posted on 10/18/2004 6:17:37 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: pabianice
Are you taking over for recently departed faithincowboys as the doom and gloomer on these threads? Have some confidence. The lies will be exposed. The Dems are beyond desperate given the absolute crap they have been touting lately. You should take some solace in that.
11 posted on 10/18/2004 6:17:45 AM PDT by babaloo
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To: Numbers Guy

Fred Barnes is saying the exact same thing on Fox right now.


12 posted on 10/18/2004 6:18:44 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Vote Kerry! He knows what you've got and just who to give it to!)
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13 posted on 10/18/2004 6:19:44 AM PDT by kesg
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To: ShandaLear
Fred Barnes is saying the exact same thing on Fox right now.

Is he saying what the Bush campaign is planning to do in response?

14 posted on 10/18/2004 6:20:38 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Numbers Guy

Yep, and Gore started his rants in black churches about this time as well.

Bush counter to this is to ask who the only person in the race to tax SS was? It was kerry. Kerry is just solidifying his voters...then again, if it is same as 2000, he just needs to switch 255 votes.


15 posted on 10/18/2004 6:21:32 AM PDT by madison46 (Will we EVER get a poll out of OH??)
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To: babaloo

faithincowboys is GONE? What's the story?


16 posted on 10/18/2004 6:21:35 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: pabianice

Keep in mind that if Kerry runs ads that are blatant, obvious lies, then we can run counter ads that both refute what Kerry says AND nail him as a liar. So this game of lying about Social Security is a desperate high risk tactic by Kerry. He's looking more desperate every day. That comment about Cheney's daughter was an obvious attempt to suppress the Christian vote. If Kerry runs a lot of ads with lies about Social Security, we can run counter ads that will take back at least as many votes as Kerry gained with his ads.


17 posted on 10/18/2004 6:21:36 AM PDT by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry is a liar and rotten to the core)
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To: ShandaLear

Kerry can't explain them because it is all pure BULL$HIT, and he knows it!!


18 posted on 10/18/2004 6:25:44 AM PDT by international american (Support our troops!! Send Kerry back to Bedlam,Massachusetts!!)
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To: Numbers Guy

I only heard the last part of it.He did say that the Bush campaign is in states that shoud be in the Kerry column and that will put Kerry on the defensive. The rest of the interview was talking about a report that shows that Kerry has overwhelmingly received more favorable reporting suring the election cycle than Bush has.


19 posted on 10/18/2004 6:28:18 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Vote Kerry! He knows what you've got and just who to give it to!)
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To: gunnygail

so, aren't there any lies we can tell? can't we rig the vote with fraud, like them? and then have the media talk about other things like how unfair it is for Sinclair to broadcast bad things about Kerry?


20 posted on 10/18/2004 6:33:23 AM PDT by paulsy
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