Posted on 10/17/2004 5:06:40 PM PDT by mylife
OCT 18, 2004 Interview With Pollster John Zogby Next US chief has to heal the meanness
By Pranay Gupte
IN MR John Zogby's mind, there's little question that the electorate in the United States is divided into what he calls 'two warring nations' - one favouring President George W. Bush in the upcoming Nov 2 presidential election, the other siding with his Democratic challenger, Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts.
The increasingly sharpening divisions are over ideology - conservative versus liberal - and over the very core values of the American system, which has long prided itself on tolerance and magnanimity.
'Each side feels that if the other wins, it would be the end of the Republic,' Mr Zogby told The Straits Times during an overnight visit to Singapore sponsored by Reuters.
'Whoever the next president is, he is going to have to be, first and foremost, a healer - or at least someone who stops this widening, this deepening of ideological divisions in the US. The ugly thing is, this meanness has spilled over from the halls of Congress to Main Street, US.'
What Mr Zogby thinks of the American Republic's predicament matters - not just because he is widely considered to be one of the country's most accurate pollsters, but also because he has studied and taught history and the culture of societies.
It's not so much the arithmetic behind the statistics in polls but the sociology of respondents that matters, he said. That means it's the personal environment of the respondent that ultimately determines his or her political choices.
'Societies need to have sustained civility in their political discourse,' he said. 'Remember the election of 1800?'
His interviewer did not.
'Well, let me tell you,' the bespectacled Mr Zogby said. 'It was a bitter election, and Thomas Jefferson was finally declared the winner. His first exhortation to Congress was 'We're all Federalists, we're all Republicans, so let us proceed to bond, to heal our wounds'.'
That is Mr Zogby's way of saying that President Bush has been 'the most divisive president in modern American history'.
'Republicans and Democrats aren't talking to each other across the aisle,' he said. 'In Congress, they used to swim together, play tennis and racquetball, and they used to party together. Now they don't even know one another's names. The civility has gone.'
It has gone, in his view, because President Bush deliberately chose to ignore the 'creative centre' that traditionally energised American politics.
From the very start of his term in January 2001, Mr Bush resolved that he would go as far right as the political structure would tolerate. Unfortunately, the very tolerance that has signified magnanimity permitted Mr Bush to take his policies to unprecedented locations rightward.
'The danger of ignoring the 'creative centre' is that you then cannot appeal to both sides in the political and sociological game,' Mr Zogby said. 'That's why the next president has to be like Thomas Jefferson. The American political system simply cannot take any more of this push to the right.'
Mr Zogby - he's clearly flattered when he's called Professor Zogby - belongs to an industry that, as elections and public-opinion sampling go, is relatively young.
In their 1988 book, Polls and Surveys: Understanding What They Tell Us, Professors Norman M. Bradburn and Seymour Sudman say that the presidential election of 1936 brought the new 'science' of polling to prominence when three independent polls (by Crossley, Gallup, and Elmo Roper) predicted Franklin D. Roosevelt's victory over Alf Landon.
They point out that these polls stood in stark contrast to the prediction of the Literary Digest that Roosevelt would receive only 40.9 per cent of the vote. As in its widely publicised reports about public opinion over the preceding decade, the Digest rested its 1936 prediction on a tally of ballots returned from millions that had been mailed out across the country.
That Crossley, Gallup, and Roper had the audacity to base predictions on relatively small samples (compared to the two million ballots on which the Digest based its claim) was itself newsworthy, according to Prof Bradburn and Prof Sudman.
'But when their projections were borne out by the election returns, the validity of modern polling had been established. The point had been made that the way a sample is drawn is more important than its size. Bias towards the affluent inherent in the lists from which the Digest had drawn names - telephone subscribers and owners of automobiles - could not be offset by large numbers,' they say.
They also point out that in 1848, Belgian mathematician Adolphe Quetelet advanced the idea of the 'average man' by arguing that the concept of the normal distribution of observations around a mean could be applied to analysis of society as well as to the physical world.
Polling has come a long way since then. Globally, it's now a US$4 billion (S$6.77 billion) industry annually. It employs nearly 100,000 people and has five distinct sectors - academic/non-profit; private; mass media sector; government; and in-house.
In 1939, the firm of Rensis Likert developed polling for the US Department of Agriculture, the first such operation within an agency of government. Polls by Hadley Cantril provided then-president Franklin D. Roosevelt, a Democrat, with valuable information on American public opinion throughout World War II.
The Office of Public Opinion Research he established in 1940 at Princeton University conducted research into the methodology of polling and became a central archive for polling data. In 1941, the National Opinion Research Centre, now at the University of Chicago, was established.
In short, everyone polls nowadays - corporations conduct polls in order to determine how to launch new brands or reinvigorate old ones; politicians poll in order to focus their campaigning funds on specific regions and communities; companies even poll their own employees to assess corporate morale and productivity; media organisations poll readers to determine their reading habits - and often adjust their coverage accordingly.
All this means that Mr Zogby is a pretty busy man - and certainly a wealthy one. His 20-year-old firm, Zogby International, based in Utica, New York, conducts polls in several dozen countries.
Of Arab descent, Mr Zogby is especially interested in Middle East issues, and is currently undertaking a series of polls in Iraq about issues such as the viability of establishing a genuinely democratic state there.
But isn't polling still a somewhat uncertain science after all these years? There's little question that after the 2000 presidential election in the US - when the key state of Florida was first awarded to Democrat Al Gore, then to his Republican challenger Mr Bush - polling took a huge black eye.
It suffered a solid blow to the solar plexus this May when virtually every major poll in India predicted that the ruling United Democratic Alliance led by the right-wing Hindu fundamentalist Bharatiya Janata Party would easily be re-elected.
And, of course, there's the mother of all polling disasters: In 1948 almost every American pollster predicted that Harry S. Truman would be defeated by Governor Thomas E. Dewey; Truman won by almost five percentage points.
'Polling can be uncertain only if you rely on statistics alone,' is Mr Zogby's riposte. 'That's why an effective pollster has to rely on culture, history and sociology. I repeat, polling is the study of human behaviour, not simply a sampling of people's preferences.'
That may well explain his success. His big test will come on Nov 2. In Singapore last Friday, he flatly predicted that Mr Kerry would become the 44th President of the United States.
And what if he's wrong?
Mr Zogby looked at his questioner with some irritation. But it could have been the fatigue on his face after a 24-hour flight from New York.
There's somebody here who was serial posting
about the beheadings... if I come across that
poster, I will "ping" you just for the heck of it. LOL!
They would both laugh at that one! My two boys are Chick Magnets. (they get it from their dad)
Right now, in our Country; at this political nexus. . .there is a 'Right side' and a wrong side'. Choose one.
No one has come close to Zogby in a presidential race, since Zogby began doing them. In 2000, Zogby's numbers turned out to be closer than anyone elses.
At a time when we are at war, the democrats have done their best to 'tear down the President' and give 'aid and comfort' to the enemy. Could you even imagine repeated attacks against the President during WW II.
The liberals and democrats have DIVIDED and POLARIZED this country. They have driven a huge WEDGE between supporters of the war effort and those who oppose our efforts to win the war on terror.
No surprise here at all actually--as John Kerry did EXACTLY the same thing once before,,,,,,,,the last time he "REPORTED FOR DUTY"---(in Vietnam).
But he hasnt been close this election cycle. Although I think this trend is reversing itself, notice the last couple of polls from him showing the President ahead, he has consistently been off towards the Democrats on every poll in contrast to other pollsters....
The NEW New Tone?
To borrow a phrase from Laura Ingraham:
SHUT UP AND POLL !!
Aren't you calling him on his accuracy a bit soon? We'll know if that statement is true or not in a couple of weeks now. At this point, I don't claim to know if Zogby will continue his record for another election or not. However, I'm certain at this point, that know one knows for sure.
he is so so so so biased..if bush is up in his polls then add+5..This says it all folks
"Of Arab descent, Mr Zogby is especially interested in Middle East issues, and is currently undertaking a series of polls in Iraq about issues such as the viability of establishing a genuinely democratic state there."
I agree.
I'm glad you missed the second half of what I wrote...
up to this point, he hasnt been close to other pollster, in fact, he has been a consistent outlier. That trend is now seeming to reverse itself. What did you expect? He makes up these numbers on his own anyway......
It's insight into his thinking and it's a effective spiel for Jf'nK. The "creative center", that's sick.
He started his career with the New York Times (when it was run by Abe Rosenthal), and then went on to freelance for Forbes and write books. He started a newspaper called "The Earth Times" and even asked me to write a few columns for this publication (from a conservative point of view).
Thanks!
I'm actually kind of hoping that someone will come along and prove me wrong. It's a bummer to think that the present "meanness" is unprecedented and might be incurable.
Can we trade Zogby for some other terrorist to be named later ?
This rift will not be healed, nor should it be.
"Healing" in the liberals lexicon means succumbing to their wishes for socialization of this country, and we've done that far too long.
before that, when GHWB promised "a kinder, gentler America," and the "era of the open hand," and George Mitchell ripped his hand off at the shoulder-- the Clarence Thomas hearings as a prime exhibit.
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