[freepatriot32]

can sandbags stop ak 47 bullets what about mortor shrapnel ?I never heard of anyone doing that before but if it is effective they should all do it and save a ton of money armor plating the trucks with reenforced steel and kevlar.

[aft_lizard]

I dont really know if the sandbags would be all that effective against bullets, against shrapnel sure. The jack plates are a 1/4 inch steel plate they would be very effective.

We were told that there is no uparmor kits for the M931, either get the welder to weld scrap metal re-enforcement or improvise for safety, we chose improvise. This was in March of 03 at the beginning of the war so some things I am sure changed.

[lt.america]

Actually they sandbagged all of the 2 1/2 tons (I believe that was their weight) in Vietnam. I saw a picture of one of the trucks they used in Vietnam and it looked like something out of Mad Max, because it was sandbagged all over and they had mounted a Gatling Gun on the bed and it had a M60 on the roof.

[Jack Deth]

Humvees have been 'upgraded' with diamond and armor plate, freepatriot. With not so good results. The weight of the steel armor affects the vehichle's Center Of Gravity and makes the Humvees just as susceptable to rolling as its earlier predecessor. The Jeep.

Use less armor. Adapt with the tried-and-true method of having the driver and three riders. Leave the shotgun seat empty. Put the three in the back uncovered. In a diamond formation. To return fire immediately if ambushed.

Or scrap the Humvees for convoy. Wrong vehichle, anyway. And replace the Humvees with M-113 Armored Personnel Carriers. With a driver. One in the 50. caliber cupola. Plus flankers behind the two M-60 positions.

Leave the box inside the M-113 for storage of lots of ammo.

Jack.

[JSteff]

"an sandbags stop ak 47 bullets what about mortor shrapnel?"

My dad was in a sea-bee battalion in Vietnam and they used to put sand bags on everything.. bulldozers, graders, dump trucks.. everything. Everyone used to put put sand bags in the floors of M113's and those things had autotrans's and the transmissions would burn up in a couple of hundred miles

"I never heard of anyone doing that before but if it is effective they should all do it and save a ton of money armor plating the trucks with reenforced steel and kevlar."

In Israel there is a company that already makes composite armor for most US military vehicles. From what I read the are preshaped for inside the panels and pretty much bolt in... of course we could not use those.. they are made by the "Jews" and would upset the Arab masses.