Posted on 10/17/2004 11:26:05 AM PDT by Polybius
Until now, it has been the conventional wisdom of former military Freepers, including myself, that any misconduct committed by John Kerry while a civilian in an inactive duty status while still a member of the U.S. Naval Reserves would have had no impact on his discharge status.
I, along with others, believed that, after release from active duty but while still a member of the Naval Reserve, Kerry could only have been held accountable for misconduct while on active duty for training or for previous misconduct committed prior to his release from active duty.
Well, we have all been proven wrong.
On 4 September 2004, I wrote and posted an essay documenting how the John Kerry Official web page had succeeded in deceiving the news media into believing that John Kerry had been “honorably discharged prior to joining Vietnam Veterans Against the War”.
Kerry Deceives News Media About His Navy Discharge on JohnKerry.com
The fact of the matter is that John Kerry still had Ready Reserve and Inactive Reserve obligated service after his January 1970 release from active duty date and was not even eligible for discharge until 16 December 1972.
The Honorable Discharge Kerry received, however, was dated 16 February 1978, during the Carter Administration.
Today, I received Post 155 on that thread from Freeper “rolling_stone” which included a link to Secretary of the Navy Instruction SECNAVINST 5420.174C whose subject is: Review at the Level of the Navy Department of Discharges from the Naval Service.
Section 9-1 of SECNAVINST 5420.174C has an extremely important piece of information:
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“d. The following applies to applicants who received less than fully honorable administrative discharges because of their civilian misconduct while in an inactive duty status in a reserve component and who were discharged or had their discharge reviewed on or after April 20, 1971: the NDRB shall either re characterize the discharge to Honorable without any additional proceedings or additional proceedings shall be conducted in accordance with the Court’s Order of December 3, 1981, in Wood v. Secretary of Defense to determine whether proper grounds exist for the issuance of a less than honorable discharge, taking into account that:
(1) An other than honorable (formerly undesirable) discharge for an inactive duty reservist can only be based upon civilian misconduct found to have affected directly the performance of military duties;
(2) A general discharge for an inactive duty reservist can only be based upon civilian misconduct found to have had an adverse impact on the overall effectiveness of the military, including military morale and efficiency.
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There it is, Freepers and all you lurking bloggers and journalists.
Kerry could have received a general discharge as an inactive duty reservist based upon “civilian misconduct found to have had an adverse impact on the overall effectiveness of the military, including military morale and efficiency.”
Kerry could have received an other than honorable (formerly undesirable) discharge as an inactive duty reservist based upon “civilian misconduct found to have affected directly the performance of military duties;.”
Thank you to “rolling_stone” for finding SECNAVINST 5420.174C.
Would it be possible that Kerry requested, and received, a less-than-honorable discharge from a Navy that was more than happy to be rid of him, before going to Viet Nam? I'm not saying he'd actually do that, but if he did I would think that would make his Vietnam trip legal.
Do you have an e-mail address for him?
Thomas Lipscomb needs to know this. He wrote a good article about questions concerning Kerry's discharge, but not all the pieces fit and some allegations have been challenged by even Bush supporters. We need a smoking gun....something that proves he was put under review specifically due to something regarding his behavior, that is was not just some mass routine review, but due to Kerry's actions.
This may pave the way to getting to that if true since the document refers to what occurred to anyone during the Vietnam era that had their discharge reviewed due to behavior. We need to see if this is the type of review that Kerry went through, something an investigative journalist could help determine.
Here is how to reach Lipscomb:
tom@digitalfuture.org
and/or if that doesn't work...don't hit this one first:
tomlipscomb@MINDSPRING.COM
will try to obtain
It must have been a quick romance; he was only there for four months and spent most of those in Cambodia IIRC. (:-)
Well, this is probably it then. Good work.
This sounds like it was written just for J sKerry...
Very interesting. F'in skerry is a traitor....
post 63, if you didnt see it
Does the Carter clemency deny further investigation or prosecution for acts committed by Kerry during his contractual service period that were not related to evading or fleeing military obligations?
I suspect charges were brought against Kerry other than those covered by Carter's blanket clemency.
Sorry my friend, but you can look up the jurisdiction of the UCMJ. The acts of inactive reserve personnel, not in a duty status (covered by inactive duty for training orders) are not covered. Also, to put a fine point on it, Kerry was not enlisted. He was a commissioned officer, which is a different thing altogher, though not particularly relevant to this case.
He got his honorable discharge in 1978, under Carter.
He became Seantor in 1985, and he got his citations reissued, which presumably lost, when he was dishonorably discharged in 1972.
Thanks for the ping!
BUMP to the top!
my strong suspicion is a revelation on Kerry's military status and his cover up of same may just be one of those October surprises, though we only got what, two weeks to go, you can see that slowly but surely the issue is being broadcast and discussed, albeit in mostly the "new" media, but I see a trend......leading up to a crescendo? for example, John O Neill brought it up for the first time in his statement to ABC News......too bad no one in the Mainstream media is picking up on it, I mean if Judith Miller is risking Jail on another story....hmmmmm
but let's face it it would be particularly damning since the DNC et al have been acting like pit bulls on the Bush Guard story and I strongly suspect Kerry's offences make the Bush Guard Story pale in comparision
for example someone made a great point, someone who had committed treason isn't eligible to run for the office of President, as far as I am concerned Kerry admitted to committing treason
Thanks for the ping.
Send this to Thomas Lipscomb......e-mail in another post on this thread.
What does everybody think of post 46?
"< Indignant Kerry Voice> "ARE YOU QUESTIONING MY PATRIOTISM?!?!?" < /Indignant Kerry Voice>"
actually, well, YES
if the shoe fits, wear it
BTW, good post, Polybius and
BUMP
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