Navy:Undesirable/General Discharges for Civilian Misconduct While on Inactive Duty Reserve Status

Until now, it has been the conventional wisdom of former military Freepers, including myself, that any misconduct committed by John Kerry while a civilian in an inactive duty status while still a member of the U.S. Naval Reserves would have had no impact on his discharge status.

I, along with others, believed that, after release from active duty but while still a member of the Naval Reserve, Kerry could only have been held accountable for misconduct while on active duty for training or for previous misconduct committed prior to his release from active duty.

On 4 September 2004, I wrote and posted an essay documenting how the John Kerry Official web page had succeeded in deceiving the news media into believing that John Kerry had been “honorably discharged prior to joining Vietnam Veterans Against the War”.

The fact of the matter is that John Kerry still had Ready Reserve and Inactive Reserve obligated service after his January 1970 release from active duty date and was not even eligible for discharge until 16 December 1972.

The Honorable Discharge Kerry received, however, was dated 16 February 1978, during the Carter Administration.

Today, I received Post 155 on that thread from Freeper “rolling_stone” which included a link to Secretary of the Navy Instruction SECNAVINST 5420.174C whose subject is: Review at the Level of the Navy Department of Discharges from the Naval Service.

Section 9-1 of SECNAVINST 5420.174C has an extremely important piece of information:

“d. The following applies to applicants who received less than fully honorable administrative discharges because of their civilian misconduct while in an inactive duty status in a reserve component and who were discharged or had their discharge reviewed on or after April 20, 1971: the NDRB shall either re characterize the discharge to Honorable without any additional proceedings or additional proceedings shall be conducted in accordance with the Court’s Order of December 3, 1981, in Wood v. Secretary of Defense to determine whether proper grounds exist for the issuance of a less than honorable discharge, taking into account that:

(1) An other than honorable (formerly undesirable) discharge for an inactive duty reservist can only be based upon civilian misconduct found to have affected directly the performance of military duties;

(2) A general discharge for an inactive duty reservist can only be based upon civilian misconduct found to have had an adverse impact on the overall effectiveness of the military, including military morale and efficiency.

Kerry could have received a general discharge as an inactive duty reservist based upon “civilian misconduct found to have had an adverse impact on the overall effectiveness of the military, including military morale and efficiency.”

Kerry could have received an other than honorable (formerly undesirable) discharge as an inactive duty reservist based upon “civilian misconduct found to have affected directly the performance of military duties;.”

What SECNAVINST regarding this issue was in effect at the time in question? Was this one in effect then?

We need some Pajama People to dig that up. This, however, was a 1984 SECNAV Instruction which referenced past discharge policies.

And BTW, what IS the time in question? Late seventies? Or am I confused?

The linked SECNAV Instruction specifically mentions those "who were discharged or had their discharge reviewed on or after April 20, 1971".

Kerry was not eligible for discharge until 16 December 1972.

"serious questions as to why John Kerry only received an honorable discharge through the act of then President Carter, seven years after his discharge, and had to have all of his military citations reissued, on the same day, when he became a United States Senator in 1985. "

O'Neill's comment after the ABC interview.

Breaking the law, ruining their careers, endangering the future of the armed services in which they serve, and possibly their own lives as well.

Most people would whisper it to their spouse in bed. That person would tell their best friend over a drink at the bar. That person would tell everyone they know, one of whom would tell the DrudgeReport, who would tell the entire planet!

Someone on another thread posted that Kerry was (and this in uninvestigated, and unproven) given the DIS DISCHARGE because he married a vietnamese woman while over there who turned out to be a viet cong spy. Have you heard anything about this? Or is it pure b.s.?

That sounds like an urban legend to me.

However, since Kerry refuses to sign his Form 180, ANYTHING your imagination can come up with is possible. ;-)

I think that this should be explored and that Kerry should be made to release his records regardless of the election results. If and when Bush wins, it could still be a reason to get him out of the Senate. If Kerry (God forbid) wins, then it would be a definite cause for impeachment I would think, especially the visits to Paris.

"And BTW, what IS the time in question? Late seventies? Or am I confused?"

You think YOU'RE confused?? I can't keep track of how many times Kerry received his "honorable" discharge", how many different decades he was awarded the same Silver Star, how many people awarded that particular medal OR which people awarded that particular medal in which decade!

re: SF 180

>> Not gonna happen

> I knew that. I was just stirring the pot a little.

Roger that. The fundamental observation here is that Kerry
refuses to even address, in any material way, the challenges
to his Vietnam mythology and later betrayals.

Why would anyone think he's about to answer honestly,
when he shows zero signs of being willing to answer at all?

The link to SECNAVINST 5420.174C opens a document dated 22 August 1984. How would this be relevant to Kerry's 1970 separation, his 1970s reserve status, and his 1978 discharge?

Because this particular SECNAV Instruction dealt with the reviewed of General and Undesirable Discharges issued during the Vietnam era.

QUOTE:

"The following applies to applicants who received less than fully honorable administrative discharges because of their civilian misconduct while in an inactive duty status in a reserve component and who were discharged or had their discharge reviewed on or after April 20, 1971"

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Then why does this Navy document refer to his "Honorable Discharge Certificate" and dated Feb. 16, 1978? It indicates an Honorable discharge although the DD214 hasn't been produced for viewing..... http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Honorable_Discharge_From_Reserve.pdf

His other two DD214s dated 15-12-66 and 03-01-70 are available here: http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf

Well, there was Peanut Jimmie's "Special Discharge Review Program" that he ginned up in 1977 with the intent of upgrading a lot of the discharges his supporters had received that were of a "less than honorable" nature. Certainly, if the suppositions about Mr. sKerry's original discharge are correct, he would have qualified for the review and upgrade.

And it's intersting that the 1978 date of the sKerry discharge as shown on his web site seem to fit in so well with the operative period of that program.

Then why does this Navy document refer to his "Honorable Discharge Certificate" and dated Feb. 16, 1978? It indicates an Honorable discharge although the DD214 hasn't been produced for viewing.....

Doesn't make sense, does it?

Kerry's obligated service would have been completed on 16 December 1972 so why does his Honorable Discharge carry a 1978 date?

Kerry only provides documentation for a 16 FEB 1978 Honorable Discharge.

Why the six year delay?

Most likely, Kerry had a General or Undesirable Discharge that was upgraded to Honorable Discharge in 1978.

Kerry could clear all this up by signing his Form 180.

Instead, Kerry refuses to let America know the truth about his service record.

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