Those with contacts at sites like Powerline or in the free press, feed anything good on this to the folks who can trumpet it properly. But to be effective, if there is anything here, it needs to be done quickly. I'm calling on those who are here, this brain trust, to find out if this is a set up and, if so, scream it from the roof tops. If this is an organized plot to incite a mutiny in time of war, that folks, is treason.
In church this morning, an elderly woman stood up during the prayer requests and announced that her great grandniece is one of the 17 reservists (her sister's granddaughter). The reservist's name is Amber and her mother is supposed to be on the Today show Monday or Tuesday.
The elderly woman said the 17 reservists had just attempted to deliver fuel to another base. The fuel delivery was refused because it was contaminated. Upon their return to their base, they were told to make another fuel delivery to another base. The reservists allegedly refused. She said their equipment was old and they would have to travel through a hot spot. She also said that they were held under armed guard despite news reports to the contrary. She said she was there to tell the rest of the story.
Did anyone else get to hear a similar story in their church today? Our belief is we got to hear the DNC talking points in church today.
Mississippi ping
Any potential mutineer who'd buy that would get excited over an email from Nigeria. Do we really think our troops are that dumb?
My first question when I heard this story. . .
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I don't know if anyone has posted this, but there is a big difference between http://www.citizensoldier.org and http://www.citizen-soldier.org . I assume the hyphenated on is the one that has Kerry's former buddies in charge.
Even Zell Miller carried water for Bill Clinton for two terms.. and should be watched closely.. you can take the dimocrat from the party but it's almost impossible to remove the dimocrat from the dumbocrat... spending any significant amount of time in the dimocrat party shows you could care less about America.. almost ALL neo-cons are ex-dimocrats..
Theres a civil war brewing, if not, there SHOULD BE...
Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx
Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin
The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.- Karl Marx
This is total B.S. This guy is in maintenance. He knows better! Any mechanic will tell you all of these vehicles have fuel filters. Anyone who has ever worked with diesel (which is very close to jet fuel or kerosene) knows water is commonly filtered out. If there is too much water the vehicle will "run out of gas". This would happen before take-off if it is "contaminated" to the extent he seems to be eluding to. Also if it had been rejected before it is more than likely they did not have the means to filter it at that particular installation. Perhaps they did have the capability where they were ordered to deliver it. I doubt it was throw-away, that makes no sense.
Excellent. I hope people who can, run with this. I am just an ignoramus, but as soon as I read the first article about this, alarm bells rang. It stinks.
ThugDemocrats are just Evil.
--in case you haven't already found this thread!
This is interesting. If true, this is the closest thing to a military coup that we've had in the United States (with soldiers deliberately playing partisan politics in an effort to unseat a sitting president). Let's hope it is as close as we ever get.
When freedom ceases to be maintained by the uniformed professional soldier, it must be restored by the citizen-soldier. Usually this occurs at great cost.
So are you saying that the mutiny never happened? What about the arrest of the mutineers? What about the soldiers' relatives?
Interesting.
I remember reading in all the information that has come out through the Swifties, that the VVAW had a similar plot as one of their plans.
Some of the members of VVAW proposed urging soldiers in VN to refuse orders. Not sure how far it went.
Must be a leftist tactic.
Interesting ... bookmarked!
Folks, this is a set up.
I don’t know if it is a set up or just a case of the Hanoi John faction taking advantage of an incident.
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FYI Ping !
I'll refresh this as I get more names, links and quotes
Other FR threads:
Unit That Refused Iraq Duty Said Released - AP ^ | 10/16/04 | REBECCA YONKER
MSM articles:
All of us refused to go' New York Daily News
Revolt in the ranks in Iraq Salon, Mary Jocoby
Unit That Refused Iraq Duty Said Released - AP ^ | 10/16/04 | REBECCA YONKER
5 troops may get general discharge (Clarion-Ledger)
Platoon defies orders in Iraq (Clarion-Ledger via Marine Corps Times)
Six Degrees of John Kerry lists of names (for research):
"Mutineers"
| Name | quoted relative | Article referenced | Information / quote |
| Sgt. Justin Rogers | Harold Casey (grandfather) | Unit That Refused Iraq Duty Said Released (AP) | his grandson told him Saturday that he and other soldiers had been detained by military authorities but were later released his grandson, Justin Rogers, 22, called him Saturday to tell him that he and other soldiers were put under armed guard after refusing to deliver the supplies "The fuel was contaminated for the helicopters," Casey said his grandson told him. "It would have caused them to crash. ... They saved lives." |
| Spec. Joseph Dobbs | Beverly Dobbs (mother) | All of us refused to go (NY Daily News) | told online magazine Salon she got a panicked call from her son Wednesday. "Mama, we're in a lot of trouble," he said. "We had some contaminated fuel. We went out on this mission, and they turned us back, and our captain got mad and was gonna send us out on another mission," Beverly Dobbs recalled her son saying. "We refused to go because our vehicles were in awful shape. The place they wanted to send us was dangerous. We had to go without guns. All of us refused to go. We're not risking our lives like that." |
| Sgt. Larry McCook | Patricia McCook (wife) | Unit That Refused Iraq Duty Said Released (AP) | her husband called Friday and said the soldiers had been released after being detained her husband said five members were reassigned because "they said these five really instigated the entire process." |
| 5 troops may get general discharge | Thompson said he reviewed a faxed plea from Patricia McCook to his office after a Clarion-Ledger reporter called it to his attention. | ||
| Sgt. Michael Butler | Jackie Butler (wife) | Platoon defies orders in Iraq | “I got a call from an officer in another unit early (Thursday) morning who told me that my husband and his platoon had been arrested on a bogus charge because they refused to go on a suicide mission,” said Jackie Butler of Jackson, wife of Sgt. Michael Butler, a 24-year reservist. “When my husband refuses to follow an order, it has to be something major.” |
| Pfc. Colin Durham | Nadine Stratford (godmother) | All of us refused to go (NY Daily News) | Citizen Soldier, a New York-based, nonprofit military rights group, has offered her its help. "I haven't heard a word. I feel worried," said Stratford, 46, who spent the morning scouring newspaper accounts of the alleged mutiny. "It had to be something bad for him not to want to go," she said. |
| Amber McClenny | Teresa Hill (mother) | Platoon defies orders in Iraq | McClenny, 21, pleaded for help in a message left on her mother’s answering machine early Thursday morning. “They are holding us against our will,” McClenny said. “We are now prisoners.” The convoy trucks the platoon was driving had experienced problems in the past and were not being properly maintained, Hill said her daughter told her. |
| Spc. Scott Shealey | Ricky Scott (father) | 5 troops may get general discharge | "My son said they are getting ready to be discharged and would be home in three or four weeks," said Ricky Scott of Quinton, Ala., father of Spc. Scott Shealey. "It's just a boot ... some way to put some type of close to this while using them as scapegoats." |
Military personnel involved or referenced
| Name | Position | Article referenced | Information / quote |
| Brig. Gen. James E. Chambers | commanding general of the 13th Corps Support Command | U.S. general promises to review protective measures for supply vehicles after reservists refuse mission in Iraq | all soldiers involved in the incident had returned to duty and it was ''too early'' to determine whether any of them will face disciplinary action. Chambers told reporters the command will ''assess armor'' on supply vehicles, which are often subject to insurgent attack, and add steel plating if necessary. He denied claims by some of the soldiers to their families that the fuel they were to deliver was contaminated. |
| Gen. Vows Review of Iraq Safety Measures | |||
| Col. Darrell Roll | deputy to Brig Gen. James E. Chambers | ||
| Brig. Gen. Charles J Dunlap Jr | formerly Lt Col., deputy staff judge advocate currently Brig. Gen. Air Combat Command |
The US military: A creeping civilian mission | published an article titled "The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012" |
Politicians/Pundits pushing the story
| Name | Position | Article referenced | Information / quote |
| Rep. Bennie Thompson, | Congressman, D Miss | KnoxNews.com: | Thompson's office received a letter from Patricia McCook of Jackson, Miss., on Thursday, relating concerns about her husband, Sgt. Larry McCook, and 16 others "being detained or possibly arrested in Iraq," said the congressman's legislative assistant, Karis T. Gutter. The office had received earlier correspondence concerning "ill-equipped vehicles," he said. |
| 5 troops may get general discharge | Thompson said he reviewed a faxed plea from Patricia McCook to his office after a Clarion-Ledger reporter called it to his attention. |
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Contradictions / Changes in the Story
| Source | 1st version | Source | 2nd version |
| KnoxNews.com: | Thompson's office received a letter from Patricia McCook of Jackson, Miss., on Thursday, relating concerns about her husband, Sgt. Larry McCook, and 16 others "being detained or possibly arrested in Iraq," said the congressman's legislative assistant, Karis T. Gutter. The office had received earlier correspondence concerning "ill-equipped vehicles," he said. | 5 troops may get general discharge | Thompson said he reviewed a faxed plea from Patricia McCook to his office after a Clarion-Ledger reporter called it to his attention. |
The only thing I was suspicious about was the phone call home from a young woman purporting to be among those who had refused her orders, and which the media played over and over. Right after that, some dem congresscritter came on purporting to have received a message about the incident, and I just assumed it was from the woman's mother.
Remember this .. some people join the National Guard because the duty is easy - even though the training is good - and it supplies money for people to go to school. This is a great program .. but some people get into it with the idea they get a free education .. and they don't have to give anything back. But .. when their country calls, the parents and the child are in shock - the parents hate Bush for taking their child away.
While I'm not sure these actions in Iraq were pre-planned .. I'm quite sure the dems will do most anything to distract from Kerry's recent gaffes - and by calling for an investigation - it gives the dems another opportunity to preen in front of the camera and call the Bush admin names. What could be better than that.