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Tora Bora Baloney (Sen. Kerry v. Gen. Franks)
Wall Street Journal ^ | October 14, 2004 | MELANIE KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 10/14/2004 5:50:29 AM PDT by OESY

As John Kerry tells it, Tora Bora is the place where President Bush let Osama bin Laden get away....

Well, that's not the way the battle's commanders remember it. The Afghanistan war was led by Gen. Tommy Franks, commander of U.S. Central Command, and his deputy, Lt. Gen. Michael "Rifle" DeLong.... To them, Mr. Kerry's version of the battle of Tora Bora is revisionist history.

...Gen. Franks, on the campaign... for George W. Bush,... said it's wrong to assume that bin Laden was hiding out in Tora Bora. Some intelligence reports put him there, he says, but others placed him in Pakistan, Kashmir or Iran....

[A]l Qaeda leaders had fled to Tora Bora, where they holed up in the mountains' vast network of caves. The cave complex was built in the 1980s as a sanctuary for the mujahedeen fighting the Soviets and was equipped with food, water, weapons, electricity and a ventilation system. Bin Laden used it as his headquarters in the mid-1990s. There were hundreds of tunnels, some many miles long, with exits over the border in Pakistan.

Afghanistan is full of rough country, and the jagged peaks of the Tora Bora area are about as rough as it gets -- up to 13,000 feet and covered in snow and ice. "Surrounding" the area... was impossible....

The U.S. commanders made the decision to embed a team of U.S. special forces and CIA agents into every Afghan unit. Like the Afghans, the Americans rode horses or, in the higher altitudes, walked. The special forces carried communications equipment that allowed them to talk to their commanders and to call in air power. Which they did with stunning effect -- demolishing cave-openings and skipping bombs with delayed fuses deep inside. Hundreds of al Qaeda fighters died. No American life was lost....

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; albright; alqaeda; bush; delong; franks; iran; kashmir; kerry; michaeldelong; osama; pakistan; torabora
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Ms. Kirkpatrick is associate editor of the Journal's editorial page.
1 posted on 10/14/2004 5:50:30 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY

I'm sick of that lying bastard's nonsense. After November 3rd, he's going to be relegated to the trash heap of American politics where he belongs.


2 posted on 10/14/2004 5:52:42 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk

I agree but have a bad feeling about the scumbag maybe pulling it off. The shear level of lies, BS, negative doom & gloom, outside groups and celebrities, MSM, Minorities, Unions, scared seniors, scared draft age kids....

I think I stayed up to late last night, the doom & gloom campaign is starting to affect me.


3 posted on 10/14/2004 5:59:30 AM PDT by RepTazman
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To: RepTazman

Can you imagine living in Rome in the last days before it fell? I can't.


4 posted on 10/14/2004 6:02:29 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk
lying bastard's nonsense

I like that. It rings of truth. ;^)

5 posted on 10/14/2004 6:05:33 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: OESY
It ain't over til it's over. When this is done, however, I hope that we can continue to discuss how, on a scale of 0-100, a loser (albeit a rich one) can come within a hair's breadth of becoming the leader of the greatest country on earth.
It boggles the brain.

.Is life so dear and peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of delusion, demagoguery and God-knows-what agenda?"

6 posted on 10/14/2004 6:11:49 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: RepTazman

Does this man look gloomy? Would this man give up?

7 posted on 10/14/2004 6:14:53 AM PDT by risk
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To: OESY

Oh, gosh, I hate it when I get three or four graphs into a genuinely exciting story and then it cuts off because it's for WSJ subscribers only. Guess I'm going to have to go out and actually BUY a paper, something I hardly ever do anymore.


8 posted on 10/14/2004 6:16:12 AM PDT by Capriole
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To: Publius6961

Alexander Hamilton said, "A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one."


9 posted on 10/14/2004 6:18:00 AM PDT by treeclimber ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." GWB 2001)
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To: Publius6961

It better just be a hair's breadth and nothing more. We joke that he's sKerry, but the situation really is. How did he get this far? I'm trying not to lose sleep over the possibilities, but my brain won't quite cooperate. Someone please tell me he won't be able to pull it off.


10 posted on 10/14/2004 6:21:35 AM PDT by armyavonlady
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To: Capriole
Guess I'm going to have to go out and actually BUY a paper, something I hardly ever do anymore.

The Wall Street Journal is one of those papers worth buying (though I would stay away from its weekly corproate cousin, Barron's). If you don't mind getting little more than an editorial page (2 pages in the Monday/Tuesday editions), financial tidbits and the more-than-occassional technology story, Investor's Business Daily might also be worth the cash. Britain's Financial Times tends to have a decent view of things from the far side of the Pond. Beyond that, I can't really recommend any national dailies (I wish I could get the Washington Times out of the Beltway).

11 posted on 10/14/2004 6:23:10 AM PDT by steveegg (John F'em Ke(rr)y - Terrorism should be a "nuisance". Does that mean it shouldn't be wiped out?)
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To: Publius6961

"...how, on a scale of 0-100, a loser (albeit a rich one) can come within a hair's breadth of becoming the leader of the greatest country on earth."

We discuss it all the time: The MSM holds him to no standard to speak of. Niether Clinton or J lying K could EVER have gotten anywhere NEAR the presidency if they were Republicans.

A nation without a free press CANNOT survive. If the press had no bias Algore's suing to be president never could have happened (hell, he probably would never have been VP)and the resultant destruction to the process would never have occured and the possible nightmare we are facing (if Nov is close)wouldn't happen and on and on and on...

I mean start extrapolating the possibilities in the poltisphere with a more or less fair press against what YOU KNOW to have happened. The differences in History are immense!


12 posted on 10/14/2004 6:24:41 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: BloodTypeOliveDrab
How did he get this far?

We have treason everywhere. The question is: how do we survive with a nation populated by a large percentage of traitors?

13 posted on 10/14/2004 6:25:17 AM PDT by risk
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To: Capriole
Oh, gosh, I hate it when I get three or four graphs into a genuinely exciting story and then it cuts off because it's for WSJ subscribers only.

It's also available at the free OpinionJournal companion site (though since it is the featured article today, you do need to register with an e-mail address).

14 posted on 10/14/2004 6:28:57 AM PDT by steveegg (John F'em Ke(rr)y - Terrorism should be a "nuisance". Does that mean it shouldn't be wiped out?)
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To: risk
Now there would be a one on one fight I would pay to see. I said it before, wish we could drop sKerry into Tora Bora. If he survives a month then I would look at him differently.......no still wouldn't....
15 posted on 10/14/2004 6:29:06 AM PDT by RepTazman
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To: RepTazman
For the third time, Kerry accused Bush of cutting Veteran's benefits and for the third time Bush corrected him. I wished Bush would've slammed him with this last night. Another missed opportunity was when Kerry moaned about small business, having served on a small business committee in the senate. Bush should've asked how many meeting he made and how many he missed.
16 posted on 10/14/2004 6:31:48 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: RepTazman

In any case, think about Michael Moore saying that we'd all be doomed if Bush were elected. Let's turn that around. Are we going to stop struggling to protect the Republic if Kerry wins? No. Are we going to be doomed? Not if I can help it. Join with me in stating here and now that we will stand up for freedom no matter what the odds, no matter who is in charge. Think about the days of Carter and Clinton. We may have to endure it again. True patriotism requires us to keep the faith and fight the good fight.


17 posted on 10/14/2004 6:31:51 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk

Time to make my secret wish for the 2008 GOP Presidential ticket public:

Franks/Guiliani 08


18 posted on 10/14/2004 6:32:27 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

I like Rice better. She's a second amendment supporter.


19 posted on 10/14/2004 6:32:57 AM PDT by risk
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
In a 90 second or a 30 second rebuttal, you have to pick and choose the points. One of the debate tricks used by Kerry is to throw out so many distortions and accusations that if Dubya rebutted them all, he would have no time at all for his own points.

I think Dubya has done ok, considering the torrent of spew he has had thrown at him.
20 posted on 10/14/2004 6:38:08 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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