Here it is.
I was hoping the same thing... I'm not willing to pay $65 to find out the answer to the question.
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I posted it on the previous thread. Check my last postings. If this violates any agreements, feel free to edit.
I just don't think anyone will ask the questions that should be asked. The questions they'll ask will be "President Bush, were you involved in the release of this story?"
Not really an October suprise, but a nice clean article detailing how lurch gamed the system leading to the probable case that he originally had a less than honorable discharge.
A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge.
This sentence strikes me as...odd.
Sounds like a smoking gun that overshadows anything the Democrats have tried to throw against Bush's service record. It would also be quite instructive of why they tried so hard to tarnish Bush's record, when their candidate was a "genuine war hero". If Kerry had a BCD or DD, he'd have to be "toast" to a large part of the electorate during a time of war. They badly needed to innoculate Kerry against an "October surprise".
It's above the Bushie aristocratic sense of "fair play" for the Bush campaign to go after Kerry's service record on any basis (which makes charges by the left that Bush is behind the Swift Boat Vets all that more ludicrous). And, of course, not a single mainstream media organization, including Fox News with bring this up, or challege Kerry to sign his Form 180. If they had, we'd be long past the Vietnam war issue. This will be dismissed by the MSM as "all old news".
Of course Kerry's hiding his past. And, of course, his core 40% supporters know what he is, and they regard his pro-Communist treason during the Vietnam war as a real plus. Kerry is, in fact, the mainstream of the Democrat party, which today is just a bit to the political right of Lenin and Ho-Chi-Minh.
The fact that this is not blasting from a Drudge headline is about all you need to know about this story. It can't be news, because it'll never see the light of day beyond the New York Sun.
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Obviously, if he had nothing to hide, he would have signed the form 180. In my mind, a candidate for POTUS, that refuses to disclose his military record is unfit for said office. Were he a Republican, you can bet the farm that the national media would be hitting him very, very hard on this issue.
See also this thread, for pre-publication speculation and analysis:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1243434/posts
Sorry, Travis. You're dreaming. If he has a past DD or BCD, for one thing, it may not even be in the records. When the CIC gets involved, a Service Record can clean up quite nicely. The tell-tail signs may be there, i.e. the Board convened 10 years late, reissued medals, etc., but there may not be a single word explaining the actions of the board, or why the action was taken.
I have very little hope that Kerry will sign the 180, nor that anyone in the mainstream press will challenge him to do so. All it would take is one question in one debate.. just one, and it'll never happen. Even if 100 people WANTED to ask that question in the last debate, ABC's Gibson would never allow it. What on earth would cause Kerry to fall on his sword at this point?
This is a dead issue. The only thing, and I mean ONLY thing that would reopen it is if the officers on the convening board spoke up, and to be honest, if I were one of the Flag officers on it, I think I'd be duty bound to say nothing, unless the Dept of the Navy directed me to comment. We need their testimony, and some "smoking gun" documents from before the Service Jacket purge.
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Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge - required review by board of officers
I have not believed this story from day one, but now I do. This is VERY incriminating evidence. If this story gets picked up by other media it is HUGE. The best part is this story is not making outlandish claims, but simply asking very relevant questions!
"There are a number of categories of discharges besides honorable. There are general discharges, medical discharges, bad conduct discharges, as well as other than honorable and dishonorable discharges. There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued."
Could it be that Kerry NEVER had any medals and "throwing them over the fence" was just a cover for not having them in his possession in the first place?
When questioned about them, Kerry stammered, "medals, ribbons, ribbons, medals..."
Perhaps that's why the Swifties highlighted his stuttering in their ad.
Like Faye Dunaway in "Chinatown" -- "She's my Sister...Daughter...Sister...Daughter..."
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The article cites a review by a "board of officers." This means there was a process, and at least several people were involved in it. Will any of those who were involved come forward to substantiate what happened?
Let me ask this as a lifelong civilian with a great respect for, but no real connection to, the military: Do y'all really think that this has legs? I understand what's going on thanks to the explanations of our military FReepers, but you have to admit, this is a fairly "dense" topic; it requires an understanding of 10 USC 1162/1163, of why discharges occur and what Jimmuh did in 1977-78 with his amnesty. We know that the MSM is going to ignore this and do their best to discredit or just bury it. So do you think that this can get to the sheeple in a way that they can understand it, and will they care?
We care. We know what this means--heck, we've suspected it all along. But we weren't voting for JF'nK anyhow. Will it make a difference since the MSM will just treat it as a crackpot VRWC "desperate move"?
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Oh, boy. That delay says it all...
Being in the military myself since 1972 I know that you could get like a general discharge and after a period of time you could appeal to have it upgraded to a honorable discharge. I would suspect that something of this sort happened because when I left the Air Force in 1980 I was given a honorable discharge. It will state it on your DD-214 what the discharge is. What you would want to see is the original DD-214. I don't know if when they upgrade the DD-214 if they issue a replacement DD-214 or if they just paperwork amending the original DD-214. The DD-214 will also list all awards and decorations.
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