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To: penguino; JustPiper; All
The name "Alamut" means "Eagle's place" or "Eagle's lesson".

Wasn't there a comment a while back that OBL was in the 'Belly of the Eagle". Is there a physical location called Alamut near the Pak-Afgan border?

1,323 posted on 10/22/2004 8:39:55 PM PDT by Godzilla (I Freep, therefore I am)
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To: Godzilla; All
I have kinda answered myself. First Alamut is a real location as described below - in Iran (a lovely place for a terrorist to hide in). However, the Belly of the Eagle reference is generally thought to referr to America in OBL's audio tape from nearly a year ago.

Ata Malik Juvaini (1226-1283) had seen the fortress of Alamut when it was being shattered in 654/1256. He writes in "Tarikh-i Jhangusha"(tr. John A. Boyle, Cambridge, 1958, p. 719) that, "Alamut is a mountain which resembles a kneeling camel with its neck resting on the ground." It was situated in Daylam about 35 km. north-west of Qazwin in the region of Rudhbar. It was physically a large towering rock, with steep slopes hardly negotiable on most sides, but with a considerable expanse at its top where extensive building could be done. Situated in mountainous terrain, it approaches could be guarded with relative ease. Its present location lies about 100 k.m. north-west of Tehran, and situated in the high peak of Elburz mountain. Alburz generally was pronounced as Elburz, is the name given to great mountain range, dividing the high plateau of Iran from the low lands of Caspian Sea. The original Iranian word Alburz is derived from two Zand words, signifying the high mountain. The fortress of Alamut is 600 feet high, 450 feet long and 30 to 125 feet wide and is partly encompassed by the towering Elburz range. The rock of Alamut is known at present as Qal'ai Guzur Khan.

http://www.ismaili.net/histoire/history06/history602.html

1,324 posted on 10/22/2004 9:30:26 PM PDT by Godzilla (I Freep, therefore I am)
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To: Godzilla

Yep, at least one, if not two of UBL's alleged speeches had that "in the belly of the eagle" and/or "in the belly of an eagle" phrase.

I've seen 2 or 3 sites that have UBL and what I believe is a falcon next to a photograph of his face. The sites are Arabic language sites. Also, some images of the falocon are of the falcon flying away.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22in+the+belly+of+an+eagle%22&hl=en&lr=&filter=0

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22belly+of+the+eagle%22&hl=en&lr=&filter=0


1,334 posted on 10/22/2004 11:22:14 PM PDT by Cindy
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