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Cell phone users not counted in polls (are cell phone users for Kerry?)
The Dominion Post ^ | 10/12/2004 | AP

Posted on 10/12/2004 8:03:41 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666

CHARLESTON (AP) -- About 1,200 Marshall University students are among more than 2.7 million young Americans who have been silenced by political polls because they use only cell phones.

Pollsters can be fined $500 if they violate a Federal Communications Commission rule against calling wireless phones because the phones' owners must pay for every call received.

That means the 6 percent of Americans and 14 percent of young Americans who have no landline phone never show up in political polls, according to a July estimate by the Yankee Group, the consultant whose estimates the FCC uses in its annual reports on wireless usage. That's more than the entire margin of error for most major polls.

Marshall University started pulling the telephone plugs in eight of its dorms in March and is not the only college to do so. Campuses from Morrisville State and Mount Saint Mary colleges in New York to American University in Washington, D.C., have gone wireless.

By next fall, Marshall's Twin Towers will go wireless and the transition away from landlines will be complete for all 2,000-plus students living on campus.

Dave Spencer went wireless-only long before the rest of the campus did. The 28-year-old Marshall senior abandoned his landline five years ago. So have many of his friends.

''I can think of at least seven off the top of my head'' who don't have traditional phones, he said. Spencer didn't know pollsters couldn't call him. Neither did Corey Strimer, a graduate student at WVU.

Because it's difficult to poll them, nobody knows who cell phone users support for president. In late February, Rock the Vote asked only wireless phone users whom they would vote for in November. Twenty-nine percent said President Bush, and 55 percent said whomever the Democrats ran. But those responders called the pollster themselves, which is not a scientific random sample.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: bush; cellphone; democrats; fcc; landline; polls
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

This is a non-issue from a statistical standpoint.


21 posted on 10/12/2004 8:18:03 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

This does not just effect people who've given up their landline.

I have a landline, but I seldom answer it - I check voicemail and decide who and when to respond. I'm guessing many other busy Republican professionals do likewise.


22 posted on 10/12/2004 8:20:50 AM PDT by LouD
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To: Labyrinthos
But we are talking about "2.7 million young Americans who have been silenced by political polls" </sarcasm>
23 posted on 10/12/2004 8:21:40 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

That was how Dean ran his campaign, remember?
All his hip supporters had cell phones and couldn't be reached in polling, but boy they'd show up.


24 posted on 10/12/2004 8:22:08 AM PDT by mabelkitty (W is the Peoples' President ; Kerry is the Elite Establishment's President)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
But we are talking about "2.7 million young Americans who have been silenced by political polls"

And they should all get an "F" in Statistics 101.

25 posted on 10/12/2004 8:23:41 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Pollsters are trying very hard to model for the cell-phone-only crowd.

They are doing it, largely, by overweighting the responses that they get from the demographics which they believe to be more heavily cell-phone-only.

The problems that this raises are two. First, are they getting the match of demographics and the percentage of cell-phone-only people right, i.e., is the weighting factor correct? Second, are the members of the cell-phone-only demographic who DO have a land-line (and, hence, are polled) representative of those who do not, in absolute numbers, in voting registration, in likeliness to vote, and in political preference?

I suspect that a lot of the disparity in polls being taken at the same time now may owe to the different approaches the pollsters are taking to the above questions.

I expect that every polling organization is going to be devoting a tremendous amount of resources towards exit polling this November and asking every single person polled whether they are cell-phone-only. This will create a much more accurate model of the size and propensities of the cell-phone-only likely-voter cohort.


26 posted on 10/12/2004 8:24:20 AM PDT by only1percent
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To: The Old Hoosier

Exactly. I think that Zogby has been polling people on the pay phones located down at the corner next to the welfare office and across the street from the abortion clinic and in the bathroom at the gay bar.


27 posted on 10/12/2004 8:27:22 AM PDT by no dems (I don't care what people think about me anymore; I speak the truth. Deal with it.)
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To: Judith Anne

Obvious exceptions, but polls are, by nature, generalities, so I stand by my hunch.


28 posted on 10/12/2004 8:41:22 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

So what? I've had a land line in my name for almost forty years and no pollster has ever called me either.


29 posted on 10/12/2004 8:44:49 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: no dems

take a breath :)


30 posted on 10/12/2004 8:45:41 AM PDT by SaintDismas
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To: MeanWestTexan
I would think that cell-only people would be: (1) urban; (2) North Eastern Seaboard; and (3) more likely to live in temporary housing (e.g., 1 year apartment) or somesuch.

1. Yes.

2. Yes.

3. No.

I just don't have a landline in my apartment anymore. I mean, how many of those freakin' taxes and "service charges" do ya have to put up with?
31 posted on 10/12/2004 8:49:08 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: BikerNYC

Well, half-right on point #3 --- you do live in an apartment, as opposed to a condo or equity-type real estate.

In short, somewhat more mobile in your living arrangement than someone who has a mortgage.


32 posted on 10/12/2004 9:03:38 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: MeanWestTexan
No, it's a co-op...I own shares in the building that comes with the right to live within my four walls...but we just tend to just call them apartments around here.

But you are right about the urban thing. I know many people living in condos or co-ops with cell phones and no landline at home, especially with cable providing internet service (without cable I would have a landline for dial-up). I mean, what's the point of having a landline when you have a cellphone? I guess if you need a second line at home it would be good, but otherwise... It's just another expense that seems redundant with a cell phone.
33 posted on 10/12/2004 9:38:15 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Hobson Corrals Gallup?; Zogby's Last Ride?; Mason Dixon Hits Roadblock?


34 posted on 10/12/2004 9:41:48 AM PDT by Old Professer (Fear is the fountain of hostility.)
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To: Guillermo
The 28-year-old Marshall senior

Either this guy started late, or he is a loser.

Maybe he has to work and cannot afford to take 12-15 hours every semester. Few people these days finish in four years with some taking twice that long or longer because they have to work.

35 posted on 10/12/2004 9:48:50 AM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: COEXERJ145
Please re-read the following from my original post:

Either this guy started late, or he is a loser.

36 posted on 10/12/2004 9:53:21 AM PDT by Guillermo (OJ is innocent because Mark Fuhrman said the "N" word.)
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To: Judith Anne; Guillermo

Or maybe he is retraining himself after being laid-off. Lots of reasons to go back to school at that age.

Better than sitting on his duff with his hand out asking for Uncle Sam to take care of him.


37 posted on 10/12/2004 9:56:52 AM PDT by Betis70
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To: The Old Hoosier

ditto and same for my sister and mother


38 posted on 10/12/2004 10:17:26 AM PDT by Docbarleypop (Navy Doc)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

All the idiots yakking on cell phones at sporting events during dramatic moments are Kerry voters.


39 posted on 10/12/2004 10:21:19 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Barlowmaker

How about the ones who hand cell phones to performers at concerts?


40 posted on 10/12/2004 10:26:51 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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