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In defense of Lt. Bush: Exposed to more than his share of danger
Washington Times ^ | Monday, October 11, 2004 | Charles D. Youree, Jr.

Posted on 10/11/2004 12:26:58 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: maine-iac7

I know -- I thought of posting the Kreepy Kerry pic too, just for the contrast, but I wouldn't know where to look for it . . . and probably wouldn't want to find it.


21 posted on 10/11/2004 1:45:14 AM PDT by maryz
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To: JohnHuang2
Those that denigrate the presidents service as a fighter pilot know nothing of the risks and challenges of being a fighter pilot. Those that denigrate his service aren't qualified to carry the president's piddle-pack.
22 posted on 10/11/2004 3:16:14 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2

Yeah, didn't Dean Martin's son die in the mid 80s while training in the ANG? Seems he flew into Mt. San Gorgonio (which incidentally was the name of my high school in San Berdoo!). I don't recall anyone at that time denigrating HIS service in the military.


23 posted on 10/11/2004 3:23:01 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: JohnHuang2

Hi JH2
Since I (independently) read this on the Wash Times website, I will add the rest of the fact-filled article to your thread.

^^^^^^^^

From then until 1968, the year Lt. Bush joined the Air National Guard, we lost 10 more Air Force classmates, a 14 percent fatality rate. One was due to hostile action; eight were due to accidents. In total, we lost 18 classmates (18 percent) during our flying careers.
    In contrast, of our 397 West Point classmates commissioned in the Army, 11 were killed in action or died in training accidents during their military careers, which included Korea and Vietnam. This is a fatality rate of 2.77 percent, versus the 18 percent fatality rate of the class of 1952 flyers in the Air Force.
    Additionally, during the entire Vietnam conflict, Pentagon records show 3,403,000 military personnel served in Southeast Asia. The United States suffered 58,205 fatalities, a rate of 1.71 percent. Fatality rates varied substantially from unit to unit; nevertheless, over 98 percent of those serving in that conflict returned home.
    Comparing these data, it is obvious that Lt. Bush, as a jet fighter/interceptor pilot in the Air National Guard, was more than twice as exposed to fatal danger than he would have been if he had taken his chances on an average tour in Vietnam. Most of his first two Air National Guard years were on active duty for training with the Air Force, undergoing basic training, flight school, survival training, combat-crew training, etc. Because the draft was for two years, he was not avoiding hazardous military duty being an Air National Guard pilot.
    During the Vietnam era, guardsmen were required to accumulate 50 points to meet their yearly obligations. After training, Lt. Bush kept flying, racking up hundreds of hours in F-102 jets performing his squadron mission. According to his military records released this year, he earned 253 points in his first year, 340 points the second year, 137 points the third year and 112 points in his fourth year of duty. In other words, Lt. Bush showed up a lot, earning more than four times the required duty points in his first four years.
    In Lt. Bush's fifth year -- which included parts of 1972 and 1973 -- the Vietnam War was winding down due to President Nixon's Vietnamization program. Many pilots had difficulty obtaining flying slots. According to Col. William Campenni (Ret.), a former fighter/interceptor pilot with Lt. Bush in the ANG, there was then "an enormous glut of pilots." At that time, I was a B-52 Wing Commander and recall this Air Force-wide pilot surplus developing. When Lt. Bush requested a transfer to the Alabama Air National Guard for employment reasons, his superior officers granted this routine request. "In fact, you were helping them solve their [glut] problem," said Col. Campenni.
    Since Lt. Bush's Alabama Air National Guard unit did not have F-102s, he stopped flying. From May 1972 to May 1973, he earned 56 points -- more than enough to meet his annual requirement. Since he would not be flying, there was obviously no need to take an annual flight physical, which some accuse him of avoiding. Then, from May through July 1973, Lt. Bush accumulated 56 points, enough to meet his minimumrequirementsfor 1973?74, before requesting and receiving permission to attend Harvard Business School. It was not unusual for such requests to be granted. He received an honorable discharge after serving five years, four months and five days of his original six-year commitment -- although he had accumulated enough points to cover six years of service.
    One final thought regarding fatalities in the current war in Iraq. Although our war casualties are always horrific, they are a product of war and must be kept in perspective. Do we eliminate our police forces because a valiant police officer might sacrifice his life? Clearly our answer is "No." For a war that has lasted about eighteen months, our fatality rate fortunately is very modest compared to past conflicts. See the graph above, which is derived from the Encyclopedia Britannica Almanac.
    
    Brig. Gen. Charles D. Youree, Jr., USAF (Ret.) is former Strategic Air Command chief project officer for the B-1 bomber.
    


24 posted on 10/11/2004 5:30:19 AM PDT by maica (Vietnam Veterans Day is November 2)
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To: JohnHuang2

Since the See-BS fraudulent documents debacle, the Dems have been pretty silent on the President's National Guard service. I guess too many people have now read "Unfit for Command" and have some good information on the actions and motivations of the Dem candidate, and it isn't in his favor.


25 posted on 10/11/2004 6:49:37 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: JohnHuang2; snopercod; joanie-f

There is a lot in this article, that is unsaid and / or unknown to the public, including the effects on many people, some of whom literally keeled over, under the pressure to not leave the, or a, barn door open, during a long time period when the communists constantly were probing for the door(s).


26 posted on 10/11/2004 7:06:57 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: IrishRainy
Yes, you are right. . .as a side note, when I attended Mishap Investigation school at USC (Systems Safety Management), I was tasked to "write" the mishap report on that incident. Tragic.
27 posted on 10/11/2004 2:07:05 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2

Yeah, that doesn't sound pleasant at all...IIRC, it took days to find the wreckage, since there wasn't much left. Really sad.


28 posted on 10/12/2004 5:16:33 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: Kitty Mittens

Interesting, I was just admiring the photos on your home page, thinking what kind of bravery it takes to be a pilot (my father was a Navy pilot), how Pres. Bush is being sold short (h'mm!) . . . then came across this thread that ya gotta see :o)


29 posted on 10/12/2004 5:03:04 PM PDT by cyn (prayers always for Terri Schindler Schiavo, her family, and her supporters.)
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To: cyn
Thank you, dear Cyn, for pinging me to this excellent article! Our President doesn't get nearly enough respect for his accomplishments; if a Dim had flown the jets our President piloted, he'd be made out to be a HUGE hero in the Mainstream Media!

GOD BLESS OUR PRESIDENT!


30 posted on 10/12/2004 5:17:21 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens
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To: Kitty Mittens

thanks for posting that photo -- he doesn't toot his own horn, does he?


31 posted on 10/12/2004 7:16:31 PM PDT by cyn (prayers always for Terri Schindler Schiavo, her family, and her supporters.)
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To: JohnHuang2; Brett66; GeronL
Well, let's just lay it out there for the lamestream media then, and any others who just don't seem to "get it":

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CREDIT TO BRETT66

32 posted on 10/12/2004 7:21:01 PM PDT by cyn (prayers always for Terri Schindler Schiavo, her family, and her supporters.)
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To: cyn
LOL! That picture of Kerry cracks me up every time I see it! What a contrast between him and our President!
33 posted on 10/12/2004 7:43:59 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens
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