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Your Vote is at Risk in Some States: Here's Why
Scripps Howard ^ | 10/08/2004 | Scripps Howard

Posted on 10/08/2004 11:08:58 PM PDT by Former Military Chick

Call them the dirty dozen of democracy.

Election officials in 12 states did not report how many ballots were cast when they certified 26,349,619 votes for president four years ago, making it impossible to know how many votes were lost because of inaccurate counting machines or other tabulation errors.

Most are still unprepared to check for missing votes this November, increasing the odds that America will face another uncertain presidential election. Experts warn that the mistakes painfully discovered in Florida in 2000 could be repeated.

"This is really embarrassing," said Deforest Soaries Jr., chairman of the new U.S. Election Assistance Commission created by Congress to fix Florida-like voting problems. "How can we ever measure the error rate without having the global vote numbers?"

Eleven states did not release official ballot counts in the 2000 presidential race _ Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin. Indiana counted the number of ballots cast, but published the information more than three months after results were certified and well after winning candidates had assumed office.

Texas political activist Madeleine Hervey said the failure to collect that data shows a lack of respect that many election officers have for voters. "They don't give a fig, a flying fig," she said.

Hervey believes her ballot was among an estimated 41,000 votes lost during the 1998 general election in Dallas County because of a computer glitch in the county's electronic voting machines. "My vote got flushed," she said.

Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia reported complete election figures four years ago. There were 80,644,664 ballots cast, but only 79,039,401 presidential votes counted. Much of the 1,605,263-vote difference was caused by inaccurate tabulating equipment, state and local election officials agree.

Florida drew the world's spotlight in 2000 when 178,145 ballots didn't register a vote for president, about 2.9 percent of all ballots cast. Election experts suggest that the undervote _ the difference between the numbers of ballots cast and votes counted _ should be investigated whenever it exceeds 2 percent in major elections.

Yet for all of the flaws uncovered in Florida, Sunshine State officials counted the number of ballots cast so that the size of the problem was immediately obvious. Election activists increasingly are worried over what happened to a quarter of the nation's vote in those states that didn't count ballots.

"You'll never know if a patient has a fever if you don't even have a thermometer," said Doug Chapin, director of electionline.org, a nonprofit clearinghouse of election-reform information.

Scripps Howard News Service contacted top election officials in all 12 states, asking for a ballot count from their election archives in an attempt to estimate possible tabulation errors. Only Delaware and Indiana provided a complete accounting for the 2000 election, although officials in three other states said they still hope to eventually provide the data.

"This information is something we've always had internally, but we've never made this into a public record," said Delaware Commissioner of Elections Frank Calio.

Scripps Howard compared the ballots cast against the votes recorded for president four years ago and gave Calio a report showing an above-average undervote in the state's most urban area. New Castle County reported 212,995 presidential votes counted out of 220,871 ballots cast. The apparent difference of 7,876 votes represents an undervote of 3.6 percent, which is worse than Florida's and almost twice the national average.

"I find it difficult to understand the huge undervote in New Castle," Calio said. "That research was eye-opening. We've never had any reports of anything going wrong with our machines. We need to find out what the problem is. We're not going to whitewash this."

Several other states' chief elections officers readily agreed their vote accounting procedures in the past were inadequate.

"We are aware of this now and I am trying to do something about it," said Texas Secretary of State Geoffrey Connor. Members of his staff began "talking about this internally" in April when a Scripps Howard reporter asked why Texas does not count its ballots, Connor said.

Ten states _ Arkansas, Delaware, Indiana, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin _ promised they would try to issue county-by-county ballot counts in November. But most of them have yet to make a successful accounting despite attempts to do so in recent elections.

One state that did present a successful ballot count for the 2002 general election was Maine, where Secretary of State Dan Gwadosky convinced state lawmakers to approve reforms mandating a ballot count in all voting jurisdictions.

"The 2002 general election was the first time we've done this calculation," Gwadosky said. "But our voter turnout tends to spike dramatically on presidential elections. So this November will be our first real test."

According to Gwadosky's first attempt at tracking lost votes, the state issued 511,609 ballots in 2002 and counted 505,190 votes for governor, an undervote of just 1.25 percent. But that apparent undervote was incorrectly reduced by an error from the town of Lisbon, where 1,715 more votes were counted than reported ballots cast.

"Because the total-ballots-cast figure was a new part of the process ... some errors occurred in those tabulations at the local level," said state spokesman Doug Dunbar. "There was no indication that vote totals for candidate races or ballot questions in Lisbon, or elsewhere, were incorrect."

Mississippi officials are still preparing a report comparing the number of votes counted against the number of ballots cast in the 2002 general election, even though the Mississippi legislature mandated that counties begin reporting the data that year. "We're still trying to finalize everything," said state spokesman David Blount.

Mississippi Secretary of State Eric Clark said he is hopeful he can count the ballots more quickly in November. "At least, I hope we will," Clark said. "A lot depends on local election officials in our 82 counties, and how seriously they take this."

Tennessee officials were able to complete a review of ballots cast in the 2000 presidential election, but were unwilling to release the findings. "We didn't get good information," conceded Tennessee Elections Coordinator Brook Thompson. "We know some of the county numbers were not correct."

Thompson said the findings from counties with credible information were disturbing. "Punch cards were the worst," he said. "We had something like 96.5 percent of the vote count, or that there was a drop-off of about 3.5 percent, for punch cards."

At Scripps Howard's request, Missouri officials for the first time tried to tally ballots cast in the last presidential race and were able to compile reports from 77 of the Show Me State's 116 election jurisdictions. "We will request complete information from all counties in November," said state spokesman Spence Jackson.

Missouri officials said there were at least 37,149 more ballots cast than votes were counted for president four years ago, with at least 10 counties reporting a rate of undervoting worse than Florida's. The worst was an undervote of more than 7 percent of the ballots cast in St. Clair County.

Arkansas Secretary of State Charlie Daniels said state lawmakers in 2001 required an accounting of all votes that did not tabulate correctly. But so far, the state has not prepared such an accounting.

"I think so," Daniels said when asked if the state will report spoiled ballots in November. "It's always good to have all the data on hand to make decisions. How does each county stack up? Are the polling workers properly trained?"

Both Wisconsin and Oklahoma officials said they could count the number of ballots cast, but they had never been asked to do so in past elections. "It wouldn't bother us at all to start counting this," said Oklahoma State Elections Board chief Michael Clingman.

"Wisconsin actually does collect the number of voters who come to the polling place," said Wisconsin State Elections Board Executive Director Kevin Kennedy. "The real problem is that by the time we get those numbers reported from our 1,850 municipalities, nobody pays any attention to the information."

Wisconsin had yet to provide complete data from either the 2000 or 2002 general elections.

Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita said it was "an anomaly" that Indiana was slow to report ballots cast in 2000, and promised to report the information on election night this year. But Rokita said his office "has never completed an official tally" of undervotes or made a formal comparison between votes counted and ballots cast.

"That's because, in Indiana, the county clerks have a lot of the responsibilities for putting on elections," Rokita said. "To get that data and then to come in and force a recount or a special election based on that, well, we have no legal jurisdiction to do that."

Officials for Alabama and Pennsylvania said they are not in a position to make a complete accounting of ballots cast come November.

"There is no provision in the Election Code that calls for counties to report to us the actual number of ballots cast," said Brian McDonald, spokesman for Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth Pedro Cortes. "We can't enforce a law that doesn't exist."

Alabama Secretary of State Nancy Worley said she will ask the Alabama legislature to require counties to count ballots in future elections. "This is the first time this question has been raised to me," Worley said. "I didn't realize we were one of just 12 states that doesn't report this."

(Reach Thomas Hargrove at hargrovet(at)shns.com and Michael Collins at colliinsm(at)shns.com)

© 2004 Scripps Howard News Service.

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©The Pawtucket Times 2004


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ballot; electionfraud; electronicvoting; votefraud; voters; voting
"dirty dozen" clever
1 posted on 10/08/2004 11:08:58 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

Laying more groundwork for taking the election to the courts if Kerry loses. I love how every liberal wants to count a ballot that has no vote for president as being somehow less than perfect. I've skipped some races, once where I didn't have any interest, or wanted to not endorse. Judges are a particular place where I usually skip. One in a race of one.

I wish I could go toss myself in a hole for the first part of November.


2 posted on 10/08/2004 11:13:14 PM PDT by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: SheLion
D-
Can you please ping the Maine gang - thanks- B
3 posted on 10/08/2004 11:14:04 PM PDT by spartan68
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To: Former Military Chick

Under vote in the Presidential race when compared to the total votes. They just will not admit that some blacks would not vote for Gore with Lieberman on the ticket. They didn't count on that impact. Or maybe they did. That would partially explain why they were running a punch tool through stacks of punch cards. They thought they could pick up the under vote that way and take away some of GWB's votes in the process. Too bad that in some counties, it was the third hole down and not the second.

If you thought the voter fraud was bad last time (7%), just watch out this time. I'm predicting 10% democrat voter fraud, higher in key areas. Go to polling places, if a bus or van brings voters in, then follow it to see where it goes next.


4 posted on 10/08/2004 11:24:22 PM PDT by Revolutionary
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To: Former Military Chick; Happy2BMe

"They don't give a fig, a flying fig,"


5 posted on 10/08/2004 11:25:54 PM PDT by B4Ranch (´´Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are our teeth for Liberty)
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To: Former Military Chick
Everybody knows what this is all about. If the DNC can't win the election through the ballot box, they'll win it in court, or at least perpetuate the myth that the election was "stolen". Meanwhile the only thing resembling election fraud I've heard of lately is absentee ballots in Missouri and Michigan that either left omitted the President's name, or otherwise made it impossible to vote for him.
6 posted on 10/08/2004 11:26:55 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: Chieftain; Ragtime Cowgirl; gatorbait; GreyFriar; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; americanmother; ...

eye on your vote **ping**


7 posted on 10/08/2004 11:32:48 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (REALLY REALLY Ticked OFF in the heartland)
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To: Former Military Chick
Every election district should report the number of balltos cast immediately upon close of polls, even before any ballots are counted. In addition, all ballot counts should explicitly include the number of undervotes and spoiled ballots for each office. At all times, the total number of votes for all candidates, undervotes, spoiled ballots, and as-yet-uncounted ballots should equal the number of ballots cast. If it doesn't, something's wrong.

Such simple cross-checking would have avoided some of the problems in Florida, and would also provide some protection against fraud. I can think of no good reason why it isn't SOP.

8 posted on 10/09/2004 12:23:00 AM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: Former Military Chick
They don't know how many votes were cast probably because they're still probably trying to find lost ballot boxes. Anybody check on eBay yet??
9 posted on 10/09/2004 12:29:58 AM PDT by Skybird
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To: spartan68; 8mmMauser; Acela; afterhoursguru; AlextheWise1; AniGrrl; arepublicifyoucankeepit; ...
Can you please ping the Maine gang - thanks- B

You betcha!

10 posted on 10/09/2004 4:28:11 AM PDT by SheLion (FnKerry is NOT want we want to run this Country! He is all ME ME ME!)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping. Actually this concerns me. I urge everyone in Maine to check with your town office to make sure you are registered. I found myself purged from the records although I hand't missed a vote. I had changed my registration preference in 2002 and voted aferwards so my registration had been purged some time between the last election and when I checked a few months ago.


11 posted on 10/09/2004 5:04:12 AM PDT by armymarinemom (Get with the program, Troops don't need body armor against spitballs)
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To: armymarinemom
Thanks for the ping. Actually this concerns me. I urge everyone in Maine to check with your town office to make sure you are registered. I found myself purged from the records although I hand't missed a vote. I had changed my registration preference in 2002 and voted aferwards so my registration had been purged some time between the last election and when I checked a few months ago.

Good idea! I call every year to make sure. I called just the other day. I am good to go!

12 posted on 10/09/2004 5:21:48 AM PDT by SheLion (FnKerry pull's his answer's out of his bony azz. He thinks he is SO SMART! heh!)
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To: supercat
I can think of no good reason why it isn't SOP.

'Rats do not want the door closed on some of their favorite voter fraud methods. A place to choose none-of-the-above would eliminate much of the confusion.

13 posted on 10/09/2004 5:44:26 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Former Military Chick
Texas political activist Madeleine Hervey said the failure to collect that data shows a lack of respect that many election officers have for voters. "They don't give a fig, a flying fig," she said.

I was a Judge of Elections in Pennsylvania, and from my experience, this is a very true statement.

14 posted on 10/09/2004 7:05:05 AM PDT by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Former Military Chick

"Mistakes", my pruney old can!

There's a lot of on-purpose intentional "mistakes" going on, and they all seem to fall in the Dem's favor, don't they?

What a funny coincidence!


15 posted on 10/09/2004 7:05:17 PM PDT by Uncle Jaque (Vigilance!)
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To: Revolutionary

How Democrats Steal Elections - Top 10 Methods of Liberal Vote Fraud

1. Over-Voting. In Democrat strongholds like St. Louis, Philadelphia and Detroit, some precincts had 100% of their registered voters voting, with 99% of the ballots going to Gore. Clearly, multiple voting resulted in extra tallies for Gore in the 2000 election. (New York Post, 12/09/00).

2. Dead Voters. This classic Democratic method of vote fraud goes all the way back to 1960 in Chicago and Dallas. The 2000 election was no exception. In Miami-Dade County, for example, some of the 144 ineligible votes (those which officials actually admitted to) were cast by dead people, including a Haitian-American who's been deceased since 1977 (Miami-Herald, 12/24/00).

3. Mystery Voters. These "voters" cast votes anyway but are not even registered to vote. In heavily Democratic Broward County, for example, more than 400 ballots were cast by non-registered voters. (Miami-Herald 1/09/01)

4. Military ballots. Many of these votes were disqualified for the most mundane and trivial reasons. At least 1,527 valid military ballots were discarded in Florida by Democratic vote counters (Drudge Report, 11/19/00).

5. Criminals. Felons are a natural Democratic voter and they're protected on voter rolls across the country. In Florida at least 445 ex-convicts - including rapists and murderers -- voted illegally on November 7th. Nearly all of them were registered Democrats. (Miami-Herald 12/01/00)

6. Illegal aliens. These voters have long been a core liberal constituency, especially in California. In Orange County in 1996, Rep. Bob Dornan had his congressional seat stolen from him when thousands of illegal aliens voted for Loretta Sanchez (Christian Science Monitor, 9/2/97).

7. Vote-buying. Purchasing votes has long been a traditional scheme by Democrats, and not just with money. In the 2000 election in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Democratic workers initiate a "smokes-for-votes" campaign in which they paid dozens of homeless men with cigarettes if they cast ballots for Al Gore (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, 11/14/00).

8. Phantom Voters. These voters don't really exist, but their ballots do. In the 1996 Lousiana Senate race, GOP candidate Woody Jenkins had the election stolen from him when he discovered that 7,454 actual votes were cast but had no paper trail to authenticate them (Behind the Headlines, F.R. Duplantier, 4/27/97).

9. Dimpled chads. Those infamous punch-cards were a ballot bonanza for Al Gore. Democratic poll workers in Palm Beach, Dade and Broward counties tampered and manipulated thousands of ineligible ballots and counted them for Gore, even though no clear vote could be discerned. (NewsMax.com 11/27, 12/22, 11/18, 11/19/00).

10. Absentee ballots. Normally it's assumed that Republicans benefit from absentee ballots. But in the case of Miami's 1997 mayoral election, hundreds of absentee ballots were made for sale or sent out to non-Miami residents. Fraud was so extensive in the race that the final results were overturned in court (FL Dept. of Law Enforcement Report, 1/5/98)."

SOURCE: http://www.conservativeaction.org/resources.php3?nameid=votefraud

Links on freerepublic:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=electionfraud
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=votefraud

WE MUST FIGHT VOTE FRAUD!


16 posted on 10/14/2004 12:02:19 PM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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