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Badnarik Arrested
Badnarik Website ^ | October 8, 2004 | News from the trail

Posted on 10/08/2004 8:36:12 PM PDT by diabolicNYC

8:38PM CST

The first report from St. Louis is in - and presidential candidates Michael Badnarik (Libertarian) and David Cobb (Green Party) were just arrested. Badnarik was carrying an Order to Show Cause, which he intended to serve the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD). Earlier today, Libertarians attempted to serve these same papers at the Washington, D.C. headquarters of the CPD - but were stopped from approaching the CPD office by security guards.

Fred Collins reported to me from the ground that Badnarik and Cobb are in great physical condition and great spirit.

As soon as more details are available, they will be posted here immediately.


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To: Lady Heron
If there were any Libertarians in the days of the Founding Fathers, they were called scoundrels, scalawags, scamps, smugglers, swindlers, and swillbowls.

Given the chance, they would have penned in the DOI Preamble these stirring words: " . . . unalienable rights, among which are an early death, slavery to vice, and the pursuit of unneeded suffering."

261 posted on 10/11/2004 2:50:01 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Dead Corpse
-John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson

LOL! Do you know how funny it is that you use Adams in support of your views when it was Adams who changed Jefferson's wording of the Declaration of Independence to have all of those references to God, which was passed by the Congress and not Jefferson's version. Which in turn really pissed Jefferson off.

Yes, Jefferson was into the enlightenment movement started in that paragon of virtue France, and his view were very much in the minority, and while much more time is spent today on Jefferson in the text books and less and less on Henry, Washington and Adams etc. The reason is very clear....liberals hate all their references to God as their reasoning for their actions.

You can pick and choose very carefully to try and support your views as todays dems have done with the rewriting of history books leaving out major players in our history and their words, so that they can keep the people ignorant, or you can take in the whole picture with a little effort on your part.

Some how I doubt you would be willing to make that journey.

262 posted on 10/11/2004 2:50:50 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Cultural Jihad

LOL! So true, and thus the essence of Libertarianism.


263 posted on 10/11/2004 2:52:15 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron; Republican Wildcat
Would you prefer to quote Founders back and forth? Or would you rather consider that a more Libertarian government would in no way harm your ability to be a good Christian? You would be unable to use government guns to force your beliefs on your neighbor, but you also would be unrestricted in the peaceful exercise of your religion. None of this 9th Circus crap excising all mention of religion from public life.

Or does that admission cause you too much pain? That you could no longer expect the government to do for you what your religion cannot? That is, to FORCE your neighbors to behave as you think they should behave, even if their actions only OFFEND you instead of harming you.

You, apparently, have already judged your neighbors, found them wanting, and have decided that it is for government to step in and get them to behave.

Is this your vision of Freedom here in America?

264 posted on 10/11/2004 2:55:44 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Lady Heron
... the essence of Libertrianism.

That would be Freedom. That thing that scares the beejeezus out of tin pot wanna-be authoritarians like yourself. Nice to meet you Mrs. Grundy.

265 posted on 10/11/2004 2:57:32 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Yes... dastardly words like Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; could bring western civilisation to its knees.
266 posted on 10/11/2004 3:05:03 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Dead Corpse
None of this 9th Circus crap excising all mention of religion from public life.

Oh, whatever. Your goals are one and the same.

267 posted on 10/11/2004 3:13:44 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Dead Corpse
Supposedly we ought to repeal all laws which have religious morality as their basis, such as laws against murder, rape, lie, cheat, steal, cruelty, etc. (i.e., just about all), or any law which expressly says people should go to a particular church or pray in a particular way, etc. (i.e., none).

If the Founding Fathers wanted humanist moral-liberal ideologues to interpret the BOR for people they would have instituted the Libertarian Party.

268 posted on 10/11/2004 3:16:22 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad

Maybe because Bush and Kerry were INVITED and were TOO SCARED to show up?


269 posted on 10/11/2004 3:51:44 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (It's been a long time - hello to old friends here! (o:)
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To: Dead Corpse
Or would you rather consider that a more Libertarian government would in no way harm your ability to be a good Christian?

A Libertarian government would open the borders resulting in a skewing toward a more muslim society which would vote into power more of those that do not have our conept of religious freedom resulting in a more rapid loss of culture and freedom as we know it.

270 posted on 10/11/2004 3:55:41 PM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: AmishDude
Why not rather set a realistic standard for acceptance to the debates? What about only candidates who can WIN the election are invited. For example, any candidate on enough state ballots that could garner enough electoral votes to be elected should be allowed to participate. That way only the "qualified" candidates would be there, and it would be a much fairer way to set the bar, IMHO. I'm sure even the greens and Constitution Party would agree to a definition of a serious candidate being one who could mathematically gain a majority of electoral votes and be inaugurated.
271 posted on 10/11/2004 3:57:43 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (It's been a long time - hello to old friends here! (o:)
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To: WineGuy
Furthermore, give up the stupid "open borders" issue, boys. It makes you sound stupid.

They can't give it up. It is fundamental to their philosophy. Government may impose no restrictions on the liberty of individuals unless that individuals actions harm other individuals.

After the terrorist kills your kids, you may sue the terrorists, IAW Libertarian philosophy.

272 posted on 10/11/2004 4:00:33 PM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: LibertyRocks
Why not rather set a realistic standard for acceptance to the debates? What about only candidates who can WIN the election are invited. For example, any candidate on enough state ballots that could garner enough electoral votes to be elected should be allowed to participate. That way only the "qualified" candidates would be there, and it would be a much fairer way to set the bar, IMHO. I'm sure even the greens and Constitution Party would agree to a definition of a serious candidate being one who could mathematically gain a majority of electoral votes and be inaugurated.

If polls show that that candidate really no support, i.e., no probability of winning the states, he should not be included. Basically, if no one wants to see you, why should you be invited to the show.

273 posted on 10/11/2004 4:05:09 PM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: LibertyRocks
Look. Any moron can get on enough ballots of enough states to get to 270 EVs. The third-party whiners have kvetched so often that they get on the ballot and lose every time. There is no constitutional right to a debate and they only occur at the whim of whatever candidate wants them. Nixon never agreed to debates after 1960. And he won twice. You would think one of these third-party goofs could poll in the upper 2%'s at least.

Even the barely-sane Perot could manage it.

274 posted on 10/11/2004 4:10:48 PM PDT by AmishDude (This space for rent.)
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To: af_vet_rr
The Americans back in the 1700s could handle it just fine. That's what's happened since then. It's been so long since we've had freedom that people are scared of it now. Real and tangible consequences of individual's actions are what _teaches_ responsibility. Ask any parent; responsibility cannot be learned unless it is given.
275 posted on 10/11/2004 4:11:45 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (It's been a long time - hello to old friends here! (o:)
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To: WildTurkey

IMHO... yes. A 5 yo driving a motor-vehicle and drinking a beer is putting others at extreme risk for personal and property damage. The laws in this case would be much the same as they are right now.

Does a 5 yo operating a motor vehicle impose an inherent risk? Obviously it does - the child is physically uncable of controlling said vehicle. Chances are the car would be swerving erratically without the beer in hand! If the 5yo figured out how to keep the gas pedal down. This poses a clear and present danger and yes the police officer would be under his rights and protecting our right to life and property by stopping him.


276 posted on 10/11/2004 4:17:20 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (It's been a long time - hello to old friends here! (o:)
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To: Lady Heron

Lady Heron wrote: What a joke, they think they are the only ones who live by the Constitution but ignore what the founding fathers knew about morals upholding the Constitution.

Reply: How could I forget. The Republican Party is the one with morals right?

Let me remind you... Bush is the one fighting for free and fair elections overseas. Yet, he refuses to participate in free and fair elections here at home.

He is our President yet he refuses to acknowledge to the will of the people (of which 57% have said they want 3rd parties in the debates). Why? Because he doesn't want to hear other alternatives to his programs and his ideas.

Where are Bush's morals? He will send people to fight and die, but won't give them a chance to voice their opinions?

Did any of you read what Bush's campaign spokesperson said last week? His name is Danny Diaz, and I quote: "This race is between the President of the United States and John Kerry. The voters will choose between those two candidates."

We will? And what if we don't? What then?


277 posted on 10/11/2004 4:34:35 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (It's been a long time - hello to old friends here! (o:)
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To: LibertyRocks
Supposedly pigs can fly. What then, indeed? Perhaps we all ought to turn blue by imbibing colloidal silver or by hold our breaths waiting, eh?
278 posted on 10/11/2004 4:57:54 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: applemac_g4

"All it takes is people voting their conscience instead of acting like they are betting on a football game and checking "the line." you said.

I agree to some extent but when checking the odds Kerry has a 100% chance of destroying over 225 years of our Constitutional Republic. Bush has erred in signing the anti 1st Amendment Campaign Finance Law but I still and once again have access to most any firearm for my collection of 1st Amendment guarantees. And he has taken out a lot of bad people who want to kill us just because they like to kill.

Otherwise We are very much in agreement. I voted for Perot in 92 and it got Clinton elected. If 3% of the voters vote Libertarian it takes votes from Bush and elects sKerry.
Voting my consciense is exercizing that Electing Bush now still gives us another chance to truely reform presidential politics. Electing sKerry dooms us to unknown and probably irreversable damage to our nations survival.
I just wish other candidates were allowed the opportunity to debate.


279 posted on 10/11/2004 6:28:55 PM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: Dead Corpse

Big name candidates and big name parties spend big time dollars advertising in the medias that cover the campaign.
3rd party candidates, even with their names on 48 states have sparse resources to run political ads. So the media naturally ignores them. FEDERAL Campaign finance MONEY should be spread EVENLY between each candidate so as to allow 3rd party candidates on the ballot the so called equal access to the election process. Campaign finance laws now are only favorable to campaigns with big financial war chests and cheats 3rd party challengers who have no war chest or the ability to accumulate funding that flows with incumbants.

3rd party candidates only get negative press because they have to get arrested in protest for being excluded from fair and open election coverage including debates.
Constitutionally they are very correct in their actions.
But since when did our media focus on the real interpretation of how a constitutional republic works?


280 posted on 10/11/2004 6:43:11 PM PDT by o_zarkman44
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