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90% Baloney: Kerry-Edwards lie about casualty numbers in Iraq.
National Review Online ^ | October 08, 2004 | Jed Babbin

Posted on 10/08/2004 6:13:15 AM PDT by xsysmgr

In the first debate between President Bush and Senator Kerry, Kerry said again and again that Americans are suffering 90 percent of the casualties in Iraq, and that American taxpayers are paying 90 percent of the costs. In the vice-presidential debates, Sen. John Edwards said the same thing. It would be a tremendously effective line in proving Kerry's point that we "pushed our allies aside" and went to war unthinking and unprepared. It would be a tremendously effective line if it were true, that is.

But like so much else in the Democrats' relentless attack on the war, it is — in the immortal words of M*A*S*H's Col. Sherman Potter — "horse hockey." A senior administration source filled me in on the real numbers. This does not diminish the enormous sacrifice represented by each and every one of those Americans who have given their lives in this war; it only shows how low the Dems will go to make a political point.

The real numbers tell a very different story than the line Kerry and Edwards are peddling. From the beginning of the war in March 2003 through October 2, 2004, about 800 American troops had been killed in action (another 260 died of non-combat causes). In that same period, about 750 Iraqis and 120 Coalition soldiers were killed in action. The math just doesn't work for Kerry-Edwards. It's 48 percent, not 90 percent. And the percentage is decreasing.

If you count the number of combat dead from May 2003 to October 2004, Americans are 700 out of about 1540 total (which includes the 750 Iraqi and 90 Coalition casualties), or 45 percent. From September 1, 2003, to October 2, 2004, Americans constitute 43 percent of combat deaths (600 Americans, 700 Iraqis, and 80 Coalition KIA).

All these numbers are gruesome; none is pleasant to contemplate. But none of them — from beginning to end — amounts to the bill of goods Kerry-Edwards are selling.

Vice President Cheney shot some of these numbers back at John Edwards on Tuesday night, and didn't end with the casualty numbers. He said, "The allies have stepped forward and agreed to reduce and forgive Iraqi debt to the tune of nearly $80 billion, by one estimate. That plus $14 billion they've promised in terms of direct aid puts the overall allied contribution financially at about $95 billion," which Cheney said amounted to more than 40 percent. But even the vice president didn't include the amount the Iraqis have contributed themselves, which my source said was about $20 billion. Whatever the figures add up to (my source's estimate was that America was putting in only about 35 percent), they clearly add up to one fact: The Kerry-Edwards line about America's paying 90 percent of the bill is — like their casualty figures — baloney.

The abuse of the casualty figures is above and beyond outrageous. Kerry and Edwards are twisting them around to make the point that President Bush took us to war without a sufficient number of allies to share the butcher's bill. It's not sufficient to say, as some talk-radio hosts have, that we lost more than 1,000 men on some single days in World War II and Korea. Saying that plays into the Dems' despicable theme. It's not enough to say, as Dick Cheney did to John Edwards, that it's beyond the pale to ignore the sacrifice of the Iraqis, the Brits, the Aussies, and others who have died there.

A few of my friends, while on active duty, have had the terrible task of visiting the homes of soldiers killed in action to notify their families. Were it possible, I would sentence both Kerry and Edwards to that task, not just here but in Iraq and in the Coalition nations. Perhaps by being compelled to do that duty, they wouldn't be so anxious to use those deaths to score political points. Maybe just sending them to Iraq would be enough.

According to the same administration source, 233 members of Congress have visited the troops in Iraq so far. One hundred ninety-one were House members: 121 Republicans, and 70 Democrats. Forty-two were senators: 24 Republicans and 18 Dems. Eight senators have made two trips, and one has made three. Neither Kerry nor Edwards has taken time away from manicures, hairstyling appointments, and campaign stops to talk to the men and women who are putting their lives on the line in Iraq and to see the facts on the ground. That's leadership for you.

NRO contributor Jed Babbin is the author of Inside the Asylum: Why the UN and Old Europe are Worse than You Think.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antitroops; baghdadbob; casualties; coalitioncasualties; iraq; kerry; kerryedwards; kerrylied; lyingliars; quackmire
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1 posted on 10/08/2004 6:13:16 AM PDT by xsysmgr
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To: xsysmgr

I get so mad that Kery/Edwards, Mr.'s Doom and Gloom, can just say any lie they want, at any time, and the media picks up their water and carries it for them.

I am just shocked at the lies. If these were my kids, they wouldn't be able to sit down from the spankings for lying they would have been receiving. Of course, they also would have stopped probably, from the spankings they were receiving because of lying.


2 posted on 10/08/2004 6:17:41 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality the cost becomes prohibitive.)
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To: xsysmgr

Excellent column by Mr. Babbin.


3 posted on 10/08/2004 6:20:30 AM PDT by Alia
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To: eyespysomething

And what was the number of US casualties suffered by Klintoon in his terms.....4600 or something like that


4 posted on 10/08/2004 6:35:28 AM PDT by Phinanceguy
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To: eyespysomething

I have resorted to mumbling obscenities every time Kerry and Edwards open their lying mouths on TV. It KILLS ME that they just get away with it.
How can people be SO STUPID?


5 posted on 10/08/2004 6:46:39 AM PDT by kimchi lover (When will the left learn that Bush is NOT the enemy?)
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To: xsysmgr
I'm F*ing pissed! The MSM should be reporting this. Their job is to pick the debates apart, and distinguish fact from fiction. But all we've heard about from the debates is that Cheney did meet Edwards before the debates. It's F*ing BS! I know I shouldn't be surprised, but they're deliberately not reporting anything negative for the Kerry campaign. IT HAS TO STOP!
6 posted on 10/08/2004 6:53:57 AM PDT by Novel
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To: xsysmgr; dalebert; John O; albee; eyespysomething; Spiff; Chieftain; Veritas et equitas ad Votum; ..
I have posted this in a cleanly-formatted HTML file for download and email.

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For more details on why I'm doing this...read about My Email Jihad...which has changed slightly from inception to include this method of downloading the file directly (some had asked for this as a delivery method in addition to email)

7 posted on 10/08/2004 7:16:58 AM PDT by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: eyespysomething

factcheck.org has a very different take on the same numbers.., Unfortunately it is still about how we spin the facts...


8 posted on 10/08/2004 7:19:08 AM PDT by ARA
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To: eyespysomething
The media is nothing but a transcription service unless they want embellish something the would hurt the Republicans. Even after the DanRather, CBS scandal their attitude is, So what? You can't do any thing about it anyway." I avoid the MSM media every chance I get and remind everyone I know there is no quality control in the media.

Americans would never tolerate tainted foods being sold' unsafe vehicles being marketed or an industry letting pollutants out, but they don't seem to care about the poor quality and the pollution the media lets out.

9 posted on 10/08/2004 7:27:36 AM PDT by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: xsysmgr

Kerry/ Edwards lie about everything.


10 posted on 10/08/2004 7:52:08 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: xsysmgr
A few of my friends, while on active duty, have had the terrible task of visiting the homes of soldiers killed in action to notify their families. Were it possible, I would sentence both Kerry and Edwards to that task

The thought makes me shudder. Kerry would tell the families that their lost loved ones were baby killlers, and Edwards would try to get them to file a lawsuit.

11 posted on 10/08/2004 7:58:36 AM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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To: Novel
Seriously you don't expect the pundicrats in the Stone-age press to be anything more than an amplifier for the DNC do you???

Pray for W and Our Troops

12 posted on 10/08/2004 8:10:46 AM PDT by bray (Hey Dingbat, how do you say Tax-Evasion in Portugese???)
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To: xsysmgr; marineguy; tongue-tied; ActiveDutyUSMC; dakine; bkwells; chookter; Hacksaw434; ...

"...According to the same administration source, 233 members of Congress
have visited the troops in Iraq so far. One hundred ninety-one were
House members: 121 Republicans, and 70 Democrats. Forty-two were
senators: 24 Republicans and 18 Dems. Eight senators have made two
trips, and one has made three. Neither Kerry nor Edwards has taken
time away from manicures, hairstyling appointments, and campaign
stops to talk to the men and women who are putting their lives on the
line in Iraq and to see the facts on the ground. That's leadership
for you..."

PING!


13 posted on 10/08/2004 9:31:27 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump!!


14 posted on 10/08/2004 9:33:13 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte~)
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To: xsysmgr

Bump!


15 posted on 10/08/2004 9:34:22 AM PDT by The Mayor (The Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Kerry/Edwards are scum. Thanks for the ping Tonk.


16 posted on 10/08/2004 9:41:19 AM PDT by laurenmarlowe
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To: ARA
factcheck.org has a very different take on the same numbers

Can you post what they have?
17 posted on 10/08/2004 9:42:03 AM PDT by boxerblues (www.ohbluestarmothers.org)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Neither Kerry nor Edwards has taken time away from manicures, hairstyling appointments, and campaign stops to talk to the men and women who are putting their lives on the line in Iraq

Dear God, please let President Bush bring this up during the debate tonight. Amen.

18 posted on 10/08/2004 9:45:51 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (The groundswell of public opinion is about to hit John Kerry. and it won't be pretty)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Good article...



Thanks For The PING

19 posted on 10/08/2004 9:49:45 AM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!!


20 posted on 10/08/2004 10:01:12 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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