[Ostlandr]

Pre 9/11 I was almost paranoid in my defense of privacy and fear of Big Brother. But as our President said, "9/11 changed everything." No, I don't like a National ID system- but I can live with it.
In the Internet age, anybody with a computer can track you more invasively than the Government ever dreamed of back in the 1960s. Credit, driver's licenses, medical info- all are linked to your Social Security number. What privacy is there left to lose?
Is it too much to ask that all residents of the US pay taxes, and that only citizens are eligible to vote or receive government benefits?

[Warden]

Anything, But Christianity… The New World Order

You have to understand what a one world religious system would be. There are many main stream religions that all have one thing in common. There is only one religion that differs from all the others. It is a difference of salvation in eternity. All religions, but one, teach that salvation can be obtained in part by keeping the standards, of what that particular religion claims to be, from their God. Christianity (Acts 26:28) of the Holy Bible teaches that Salvation is through the finished works of Christ alone. Good works do not affect salvation in eternity in any form.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

When the religious leader of the largest system in the world performs great miracles, he will say they are signs and miracles from God. People of all works based faiths will unite under him for the common good of mankind. He will teach that all religions are from the same God and valid as such. This spirit is already in the world. It is kind of like the “Anything, but Bush” spirit that we see prevalent during the elections this year. The Moslems will embrace the Religious system that says they do not have to change in a united effort to get rid of true Christianity. The world and especially Muslims are conditioned to accept these types of deceptive miracles as being from God.

[PetroniusMaximus]

***What privacy is there left to lose?***

I think there is a big diffenence in terms of what the Government is authorized on a all-pervasive scale to as opposed to what is feasible for a hacker or PI to do.

Big difference in terms of control of a society.

[PetroniusMaximus]

***What privacy is there left to lose?***

I think there is a big diffenence in terms of what the Government is authorized on a all-pervasive scale to as opposed to what is feasible for a hacker or PI to do.

Big difference in terms of control of a society.

[frannie]

A good reply but not quite enough.

Why showing your citizenship papers or your birth certificat is "the mark of the beast"? Every citizen should have one or it isn't hard to obtain one. They should have to register IN PERSON showing proof of citizenship.

If states allow non citizens to vote in state elections so be it. But perhaps they should prove they pay taxes, this only for non citizens.

If the figures are correct, we may have as many as 10 up to 15 million illegal aliens [not immigrants] in this country. How in the world, in a large city, could one begin to tell if they are citizens or not? By citizenship papers or birth certificate's, very easy.

They put your picture on your driver's license, why not your voter registration? Is it more important to drive than vote?

You have to take a test to drive,why not to vote. As I've said ,I am 81 years of age, and just took the drivers test in North Carolina, and passed and could pass a test on the basic knowledge about the Constitution and History of this country.

I believe there has been more fraud in registering this year than anything I have ever read about.

I'm not sure what we can do. I am sure we HAVE to do something.
Frannie

[Revel]

"No, I don't like a National ID system- but I can live with it."

Can you live with it for sake of allowing illegals to cross the wide open boarders?

[Revel]

"No, I don't like a National ID system- but I can live with it."

Can you live with it for sake of allowing illegals to cross the wide open boarders?

[Revel]

Sorry about the double post. Strange things are happening at FR. My first reply did not show up for about a minute after I posted it.

[FollowingChrist]

Biometrics is "the number of a man" (as opposed to the social security number systematically assigned to represent a person). If a form of ID is required to make a purchase (buy) or have a job ("sell" your services); this is directly in line with the "mark of the beast", if not it. After these IDs start to get stolen, creating a major identity theft problem; then, the "verichip" implant solution, most likely, would be offered next.

According to Rev. 13 KJV; a Christian could not take such a "mark" or form of identity. This would leave Christians as "non-citizens" or being viewed as terrorist.

"Those who give up liberty for the sake of security deserve neither liberty nor security." -- Ben Franklin