Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Feds plan to track every car
World Net Daily ^ | October 7, 2004

Posted on 10/07/2004 4:41:36 PM PDT by JOAT

Obscure agency working on technology to monitor all vehicles

A little-known federal agency is planning a new monitoring program by which the government would track every car on the road by using onboard transceivers.

The agency, the Intelligent Transportation Systems Joint Program Office, is part of the Department of Transportation. According to an extensive report in the Charlotte, N.C., Creative Loafing, the agency doesn't respond to public inquiries about its activity.

According to the report, cutting-edge tracking technology will be used by government transportation management centers to monitor every aspect of transportation. Under the plan, not only will movement be monitored but it also will be archived in massive databases for future use.

The paper reports a group of car manufacturers, technology companies and government interests have worked toward implementing the project for 13 years.

States the Creative Loafing report:

"The only way for people to evade the national transportation tracking system they're creating will be to travel on foot. Drive your car, and your every movement could be recorded and archived. The federal government will know the exact route you drove to work, how many times you braked along the way, the precise moment you arrived – and that every other Tuesday you opt to ride the bus.

"They'll know you're due for a transmission repair and that you've neglected to fix the ever-widening crack that resulted from a pebble dinging your windshield."

The agency's website says its purpose is to "use advanced technology to improve the efficiency and safety of our nation's surface transportation system."

Critics believe the program will be used to line the pockets of business interests that stand to gain from the sale of needed technology and that the government will use the data collected to tax drivers on their driving habits.

Though the program has ominous privacy implications, Creative Loafing reports none of the privacy-rights organizations it contacted were aware of the government's plans.

The report states that more than $4 billion in federal tax dollars has already been spent to lay the foundation for the system, which will use GPS technology and other methods to monitor Americans' movements.

The plan includes transceivers, or "onboard units," that will transmit data from each car to the system, the first models of which are expected to be unveiled next spring. By 2010, the paper reported, automakers hope to start installing them in cars. The goal is to equip 57 million vehicles by 2015.

Creative Loafing quotes Bill Jones, technical director of the Intelligent Transportation Systems Joint Program Office, from a speech he gave in January.

"The concept," said Jones, "is that vehicle manufacturers will install a communications device on the vehicle starting at some future date, and equipment will be installed on the nation's transportation system to allow all vehicles to communicate with the infrastructure."

"The whole idea here is that we would capture data from a large number of vehicles," Jones said at another meeting of transportation officials in May. "That data could then be used by public jurisdictions for traffic management purposes and also by private industry, such as DaimlerChrysler, for the services that they wish to provide for their customers."

The plan sees the federal government working with auto manufacturers to place the transponders in vehicles at the factory, giving consumers little chance to drive a new car not tethered to transportation computers.

One of the program's visions is for transportation officials to share collected data with law enforcement, meaning a driver potentially could get a speeding ticket based on information stored in a government computer.

Proponents of the system say the safety benefits are enormous. One goal is to virtually eliminate auto accidents by having vehicles "communicate" with each other.

Neil Schuster is president and CEO of the Intelligent Transportation Society of America, a group of government and business people that's the driving force behind the program.

"When I get on an airplane everyone in the system knows where I am," Schuster told Creative Loafing. "They know which tickets I bought. You could probably go back through United Airlines and find out everywhere I traveled in the last year. Do I worry about that? No. We've decided that airline safety is so important that we're going to put a transponder in every airplane and track it. We know the passenger list of every airplane and we're tracking these things so that planes don't crash into each other. Shouldn't we have that same sense of concern and urgency about road travel? The average number of fatalities each year from airplanes is less than 100. The average number of deaths on the highway is 42,000. I think we've got to enter the debate as to whether we're willing to change that in a substantial way and it may be that we have to allow something on our vehicles that makes our car safer. ... I wouldn't mind some of this information being available to make my roads safer so some idiot out there doesn't run into me."

At least one proponent of the plan is actually using the term "Orwellian" to describe it.

At a workshop for industry and government leaders last year, the Charlotte paper reports, John Worthington, president and CEO of TransCore – one of the companies currently under contract to develop the onboard units for cars – described the system as "kind of an Orwellian all-singing, all-dancing collector/aggregator/disseminator of transportation information."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; privacy; privacylist
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-103 next last
To: Old Professer

At any rate, I'm afraid this may create audible 'artifacts' that would prove distracting and therefore a 'non-ideal technique' in a passenger vehicle ...


81 posted on 10/07/2004 10:14:21 PM PDT by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies]

To: Old Professer
In this state(IL)even though insurance is mandatory, it's an after the fact enforcement. Now what ?

This idea shouldn't fly at the Federal level. How can the feds step on states rights ? Remember the national speed limit of 55 mph ? It wasn't a national speed limit. The feds blackmailed the states into 55mph by threatening to withhold road funds. A couple of states told them to take a hike.

I'm guessing the feds could require it on new cars, much like seat belts or catalytic converters, but they'd probably have to grandfather in old cars.
82 posted on 10/07/2004 10:15:54 PM PDT by stylin19a (Of all the things i have lost in my life, I miss my mind the most.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 78 | View Replies]

To: _Jim

Oh, well - it's back to the mother-in-law, then.


83 posted on 10/07/2004 10:24:11 PM PDT by Old Professer (Fear is the fountain of hostility.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: Se7eN

oh, man, they put one of these things in my brain, but i RIPPED IT OUT!!!


84 posted on 10/07/2004 10:39:52 PM PDT by drhogan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: JOAT

Oh well This gives me something to disconnect now doesn't it.


85 posted on 10/08/2004 5:40:21 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Member of 3rd Pajamahadeen Division, 2nd Boxer Shorts Brigade, 4th Bunny Slipper Battalion)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JOAT

This is exactly why I will always own at least one very old automobile.


86 posted on 10/08/2004 6:25:18 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: discostu
Paranoid ravings. What exactly is there they can put in your car that would know you've got a crack in your windshield and it's getting bigger?!

What is there that they can put on a car, and tell which tire is going flat, and warn you?

What is there that they can put on a car, and tell you when you need a tune-up?

What is there that they can put on a car, and tell you what kind of fuel mileage you are currently getting?

Paranoid ravings...duh!

87 posted on 10/08/2004 11:05:38 AM PDT by pageonetoo (I could name them, but you'll spot their posts soon enough.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: JOAT

Don't they have access through northstar & lojack systems? Will I EVER allow such a system in MY vehicles? [HE!! NO!!]


88 posted on 10/08/2004 11:08:17 AM PDT by TMSuchman (If we don't get out to vote, the anti-Americans will win, and we will loose everything!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JOAT

Tin foil alert!


89 posted on 10/08/2004 11:09:45 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JLO
I loved the '56 and '57 Chevy's with the hidden gas caps. The '56 had the lens that opened and the '57 had the door in the left fin. I remember as a kid working in a gas ststion and trying to find the doors on all the different cars. I still wonder if the designers hid them to drive attendants crazy.

I do remember one which unscrewed, but not which car. Probably the '58 pontiac, weren't that many of them around anyway. Vettes were the worst, with the cap in the middle of the trunk and all that freshly polished fiberglass to drip onto....

90 posted on 10/08/2004 4:39:08 PM PDT by par4
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: JOAT
Ok, Republicans, if this is true - are you going to "limit government" or not? Hmmmmmmmm?
91 posted on 10/08/2004 4:40:07 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Se7eN
I don't really care personally what they track, so long as I live in safety.

Wow.

92 posted on 10/08/2004 4:43:48 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: JOAT
"The only way for people to evade the national transportation tracking system they're creating will be to travel on foot."

They think so, do they?

I work in the microwave area and I already can jam those devices or locate where they are in your car and make a fortune disabling them, because I know missile tech.

93 posted on 10/08/2004 4:45:09 PM PDT by BobS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Se7eN
I don't really care personally what they track, so long as I live in safety. There is only one thing I expect from the government and that is their protection. I can take it from there.

I'm almost speechless.

All I can say is, if you get your wish, Big Stupid Government will not permit you to "take it from there". BSG will take, and run, everything.

94 posted on 10/08/2004 5:11:05 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: par4

Ok, I think your memory is better. What was the one that had the gas tank opening behind the back license plate that had to be flipped down?

Thanks in advance. (Was it an Olds?)


95 posted on 10/08/2004 10:14:46 PM PDT by JLO
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: JOAT
this sounds like an article made up by FreeRepublic poster, dead ... some things are possible (like taking the trash out) and some are impossible (like tracking every vehicle in the US) ... don't fall for it, even if there are people who are in favor of it
96 posted on 10/08/2004 10:19:46 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Good ol' Coney Island College. Go WhiteFish.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: InvisibleChurch

Good grief, mellow out.


97 posted on 10/08/2004 11:10:49 PM PDT by JLO
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 96 | View Replies]

To: JOAT

I saw a nice Tin Lizzie for about 9K the other day. Maybe I'll get that instead.


98 posted on 10/08/2004 11:16:21 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JLO
Darn near every full sized car in the 60's had a flip down license plate that exposed the gas neck, I kind of remember that my '65 Chevy Impala SS (in Evening Orchid, no less) had that system. The license plate was held in the vertical position by a couple of springs. When they went bad (or were delibrately broken), the plate dropped down parallel to the ground and became unreadable.

This is only conjecture on my part, but since that long filler neck was right under the bumper, it was pretty exposed in a rear end crash and may have been very subject to snapping off, resulting in the government forcing a redesign and subsequent relocation of the filler to the rear quarter panel on almost all cars.

Of course, that's only my opinion, your actual mileage may vary, warranty void when exposed to the light of day etc.....

99 posted on 10/08/2004 11:43:43 PM PDT by par4
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 95 | View Replies]

To: JOAT
Yeah, and there was a nut case frim Michigan who used to tell people that every fourth reflector in the middle line of the road could be activated by satellite to shut down car engines when the gov. wanted to take over the country and put the citizens in jail!

Amazing how many people believed him.

He used to say also that all you had to do to disable a helicopter was to throw a garbage bag in the air and it would catch a rotor, throw the blades off balance and it would crash, leaving you free to run away!

100 posted on 10/08/2004 11:54:34 PM PDT by FixitGuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-103 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson