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House About to Strip More Civil Liberties in Name of Anti-terrorism
The NewStandard ^ | 10-7-2004 | Madeleine Baran

Posted on 10/07/2004 1:44:58 PM PDT by MagnusMaximus1


 
 

 

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House About to Strip More Civil Liberties in Name of Anti-terrorism
by Madeleine Baran (bio)

Oct 6 - Civil liberties and immigrant rights advocates say House Republicans are using legislation based on the 9/11 Commission's recommendations as cover to implement a series of troubling, un-related reforms condoning torture, limiting immigration and increasing surveillance of both non-citizens and citizens.

The House will vote on the 9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act this week. Opponents say the Republican leadership rushed the legislation to the floor without much time for debate or public input, just as Congress prepares to recess for a pre-election break.

In addition to overhauling national security agencies, as recommended by the 9/11 Commission, the legislation would also allow the US government to deport immigrants to countries that allow torture, severely restrict asylum seekers, and compile a massive database of information on law-abiding citizens. The 9/11 Commission did not recommend any of these reforms, some of which were found in the Domestic Security Enhancement Act, commonly known as "Patriot II" -- legislation so alarming, public outcry kept it from coming to a vote. Recently lawmakers in both the House and Senate have introduced legislation that would revive pieces of that controversial bill (previous coverage).

"The House is acting as a rogue group," Tracy Hong, director of policy for the National Asian Pacific American Legal Consortium, a civil rights and advocacy group. "They're defying the 9/11 Commission."

House Republicans disagree, saying the bill would prevent terrorists from entering the US. In a written statement, House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL), said the bill "will improve terrorism prevention and prosecution, so we can get the terrorists -- and those who help them -- before they get us. It will improve border security and make it harder for terrorists to travel to America. It will improve international cooperation and better coordinate anti-terrorism efforts with our allies."

Congressman F. James Sessenbrenner, Jr. (R-WI), a leading supporter of the bill, also released a statement calling the bill "a firm, serious stand against terrorism," which will both protect civil liberties and make the country safer.

The Senate version, also expected to come to a vote this week, contains few of the extra provisions. If the House bill passes, the differing versions will be reconciled in committee.

The bill would allow the government to deport non-citizens who committed serious crimes or human rights violations to countries where they would likely be tortured. The provision appears to be in direct violation of the Convention Against Torture, signed by the US in 1989 Article Three of which states: "No State Party shall expel, return…or extradite a person to another State where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture."

Erin Corcoran, staff attorney for Human Rights First's asylum program, said violating the Treaty could put Americans at risk abroad. "If we can carve out exceptions, why can't another country carve out exceptions?" she asked. "If you let someone torture someone, you're condoning torture. If you don't want an absolute ban, you shouldn't have signed on to this convention."

The bill would also allow immigration officials to deport non-citizens to countries without a recognized government, unless the receiving country "physically prevents" the individual from entering.

The bill contains numerous other provisions affecting immigrants, particularly those seeking asylum. Under the proposed bill, most immigrants would be denied the right to remain in the US while the federal courts review their case. Currently, individuals can apply for a temporary "stay of removal," typically granted to immigrants who appear to have a valid claim for asylum and would face torture or hardship if returned to their native country.

Corcoran said the provision could have drastic consequences for asylum seekers. If their claims of persecution are valid, she said, and they are returned to their country pending court review, "they are going to be dead or in prison."

Immigration officials would also be allowed to deport non-citizens who have been in the US more than a year but less than five years, without any judicial or administrative review of their claims.

Hong said the legislation would result in the deportation of immigrants who have a legal right to stay, because there would be no opportunity to present an argument for remaining in the country. "Let's just say [the immigrant is] married to a US citizen," Hong said. "There would be no context for him or her to raise that issue."

The bill would also take away noncitizen immigrants' rights to request a review of their case before the federal court. Immigrants seeking to challenge the decisions of immigration officials currently bring their case before the Immigration Court, then the Board of Immigration Appeals, and then by filing a writ of habeas corpus before the federal court. Under the proposed legislation, that final option would be eliminated.

Corcoran said the federal review is especially important because recent reforms by Attorney General John Ashcroft have drastically decreased immigrants' chances of winning an appeal at the Board of Immigration Appeals level. "[The Board review] procedure has been gutted," she said. "The only place that most people are able to get relief and get asylum is the federal court."

In addition, the legislation would require asylum seekers to prove that their race, religion, political opinion, nationality or membership in a particular social group was the central motive for their persecution – a provision no other country requires, according to human rights advocacy group Human Rights First. Advocates say that proving a central motive for persecution is often impossible.

Corcoran said the legislation would make proving gender-based persecution especially difficult. "I think the best example is a woman being beaten by her husband," she said. "It's probably for a lot of reasons -- including that he thinks she is his property, but maybe also because he's drunk or had a bad day at work." Cases like these, she said, would be difficult to win if the House bill passes.

The severity of the reforms has alarmed many advocates for asylum seekers and other immigrants, who say the changes will take away due process from some of the most vulnerable individuals in the legal system.

"[These provisions] weren't included at all in the original 9/11 Commission report," said Michele Waslin, immigration policy analyst for the National Council of la Raza, the nation's largest Hispanic advocacy organization. "Clearly the House Republicans are looking at this as a vehicle to pass anti-immigrant legislation."

Civil liberties activists say the legislation also contains disturbing provisions increasing government surveillance of law-abiding citizens. The Senate version would create an "Information Sharing Network," combining commercial and government information into a massive database, similar to the controversial Matrix (previous coverage) system already rejected by most states.

Timothy Edgar, legislative counsel for the ACLU, said the legislation would also allow private individuals to access the data, with "no real protections for privacy." Edgar added that companies like Seisint, creators of Matrix, could attempt to sell their extensive databases to the government if the bill passes. Matrix came under scrutiny when state officials and civil liberties activists raised concerns about the safety of the data, which included everything from hunting and fishing licenses to photographs of neighbors and business associates.

The House version also contains sections originally found in a leaked draft of the controversial "Patriot II" legislation, including the "lone wolf" provision, which would allow the government to extend secret surveillance power, granted under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), to non-citizens who do not have a connection to a foreign power or terrorist group and without requiring investigators to show probable cause.

In joint testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee last month, Assistant Attorney General Daniel J. Bryant and Barry Sabin, chief of the criminal division of the counter-terrorism section in the Justice Department, said, "[T]he reality today is that a terrorist who seeks to attack the United States may be a 'lone wolf' who is not connected to a foreign terrorist group, or someone whose connection to a foreign terrorist group is not known."

But in a counter testimony, Edgar, the ACLU counsel, said pre-9/11 laws are sufficient. He argued that the Justice Department has not been able to provide a single example of a case in which they were unable to obtain the surveillance power they needed either through existing criminal law or through a FISA warrant.

The House bill would also expand the definition of "providing material support" for terrorists and make it a federal crime for any US citizen to receive "military-type training" from a group designated as a terrorist organization by the US government. "Military-type training" is defined as training "in means or methods that can cause death or serious bodily injury, destroy or damage property, or disrupt services to critical infrastructure, or training on the use, storage, production, or assembly of any explosive, firearm or other weapon, including any weapon of mass destruction." The provision would apply to everyone who receives such training, regardless of whether they ever act on the training or renounce their allegiance to the group.

In addition, the bill would change the definition of providing personnel to terrorist groups to include providing oneself. In a written statement, the ACLU notes, "In other words, mere association or membership in the group can be a crime, even if no money or other resources are provided. It would apply even to a person that has nothing to do with the group's violent activities and even to a member that is trying to persuade the group to give up violence and join the political process."

The bill would also allow employers to access potential worker' arrest records. Although the records will come with a notice that the individual has not been charged, indicted or convicted, the ACLU says employers are "still very likely to take a mere arrest into account when making hiring decisions."

Civil liberties and immigrant advocates say they hope many of the provisions will be removed, and are encouraging people to contact their senators and representatives to voice their concerns, but add that the legislation is expected to move quickly through the House and Senate this week, with little time for discussion.

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So, how's it going to pass this time?

With two copies available to all of the Politburo er, I mean Congress?
At midnight just before Congress recesses?
With little or no time for debate or public comment?
Attached to an omnibus "must pass" bill?
In a moment of panic after some incident?
In another name if it can't pass this time?

All of the above?

21 posted on 10/07/2004 1:56:13 PM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: JiggyMac

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

- Thomas Jefferson.


22 posted on 10/07/2004 1:56:42 PM PDT by glock rocks ("I couldn't be out of gas. The light didn't come on." ... then she voted.)
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To: MagnusMaximus1
The House bill would also expand the definition of "providing material support" for terrorists and make it a federal crime for any US citizen to receive "military-type training" from a group designated as a terrorist organization by the US government.....The provision would apply to everyone who receives such training, regardless of whether they ever act on the training or renounce their allegiance to the group.

Anyone want to guess how long it will take the next Dimocrat elected President to declare FreeRepublic a terrorist organization?

Then if you teach your kid to shoot or hunt, you are a felon.

Do whatever is needed to foreigners, but some of this stuff aplying to citizens is going to change us into subjects.

So9

23 posted on 10/07/2004 1:56:47 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: MineralMan

Yeah, I know that. The ACLU must have to wear a breathing mask.

All you hear is all these weenies whining about the patriot act is gonna do this, and that, when there are plenty of crimes that already encompass those things. Is the mob more of a threat than mass murders? I think not.

The whole open borders thing is to stuff the US ballot box so dims get elected forever. Not too subtle is it.

These people are full of it's.


24 posted on 10/07/2004 1:57:03 PM PDT by snooker (French Fried Flip Flopper still Flouncing, be careful out there.)
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To: MagnusMaximus1
If no distinction is made between non-citizens and citizens, or between legal and illegal residents, "civil rights" are essentially meaningless.

Nobody has them (if not assaulted by the government, violated by the foreign criminals).

So what is there to lose?

25 posted on 10/07/2004 1:57:15 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: MagnusMaximus1

I wonder how many people here think the government wants to watch them. I'm sure the unlimited resources of the U.S. Government will be used to spy on each and every person in the U.S.A., especially if you are not doing anything wrong.


26 posted on 10/07/2004 1:57:17 PM PDT by kddid (Optimism for all.)
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To: snooker

It's not the info. gathered on me that i worry about... it's who possesses it... ( i.e.- the klintonistas) It's the same as them trying to take our guns away... only the law abiding citizen is held accountable


27 posted on 10/07/2004 1:57:28 PM PDT by rennatdm
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To: JiggyMac
Are there today Islamofascists willing to blow up our buildings? If "yes" then LESS CIVIL LIBERTIES FOR YOU!

Perhaps you could describe under what circumstances this might happen and the WoT will be declared over?

28 posted on 10/07/2004 1:57:53 PM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: Sthitch

""The House bill would also expand the definition of "providing material support" for terrorists and make it a federal crime for any US citizen to receive "military-type training" from a group designated as a terrorist organization by the US government. "

You ask what the problem might be with this. Well, you may notice that all that is required is that the US government designate a group as a "terrorist organization." Not the Congress. Just the "government."

Now, put in power a party you don't like and use your imagination. What organizations do you belong to? Can you see any point where one of them might be so designated by a party you disagree with?

That's the problem.


29 posted on 10/07/2004 1:58:10 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MagnusMaximus1
I'll have to read this later, knowing ahead of time the ACLU, who fights for legal rights for international terrorists, is against it.
30 posted on 10/07/2004 1:58:11 PM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: Sthitch
I'd have to read the whole bill to be certain, but based solely on that excerpt I'm concerned.

Example: "The House bill would ... make it a federal crime for any US citizen to receive "military-type training" from a group designated as a terrorist organization by the US government." Okay. What's that training? "'Military-type training' is defined as training 'in means or methods that can cause death or serious bodily injury, ... or training on the use, storage, production, or assembly of any explosive, firearm or other weapon..." Focus on the highlighted text. So, hypothetically, if President Hillary Clinton designates the NRA as a terrorist organization, then I as a NRA Certified Instructor and my students could be jailed for having a Basic Pistol class.

31 posted on 10/07/2004 1:58:57 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: MagnusMaximus1
." The provision would apply to everyone who receives such training, regardless of whether they ever act on the training or renounce their allegiance to the group.

I've never been a great fan of the concept that I can't touch a killer until he has actually killed me or a member of my family...

32 posted on 10/07/2004 1:59:00 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: MagnusMaximus1

Has America been dumbed down this much. This is another Democrat ploy and we must remember Clinton,Reno and the Democrats didnt need the Patriot Act to murder 80 Americans on American soil and now they are screaming and hollering about Civil Rights.


33 posted on 10/07/2004 1:59:10 PM PDT by gunnedah
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To: MagnusMaximus1
Hopefully, this bill (HR10) and the one passed by the Senate has so many differences, it eventually dies. I am a conservative but the leadership is hell bent to pass this without considering the ramifications. I hope the Senate tells the House to s***can that bill. Some of it is intrusive like the drivers license provisions. The Federal Gov't has no business dictating to the states how to run their licensing such as their point system and out-of-state tickets through the Driver License Agreement.

In fact, while I am on my soap box, Congress is in session too #$^& long ! Just like most states legislatures, Congress should be only allowed to meet 3 months of the year and the other 9 months, they are at home working a regular job. They should have adjourned on Oct 1.
34 posted on 10/07/2004 1:59:40 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: MagnusMaximus1
Portions of this bill should be terrifying to any thinking American. Unfortunately there are many who, instead of thinking, blindly follow whichever camp they decide to be in.
Since the beginning of time there has never been any government that had unrestrained power, who did not end up being evil. Those who fail to study history are destined to repeat it - and then wonder "How did we get in this shape?"
35 posted on 10/07/2004 1:59:55 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: MagnusMaximus1

Where is the BS Meter on this one?


36 posted on 10/07/2004 1:59:56 PM PDT by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: MineralMan
I will not surrender my freedom in the name of security, because without the former, the latter does not exist, but I will say this: consider the source.

Civil liberties and immigrant rights advocates say ...

What does that mean? These so-called advocates could represent the most extreme of Marxist or other nutball groups. They even could represent pro-Islamic terror groups. Until I'm satisfied this comes from a legitimate source, I'll take these dire warnings with a grain of salt.

37 posted on 10/07/2004 2:00:09 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: redgolum
What happens when a future dem president defines "military type training" being taught how to shoot any firearm?

I think it's already in there - training in the use of firearms is included.

38 posted on 10/07/2004 2:00:12 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: rennatdm

it is the criminals who need policing


39 posted on 10/07/2004 2:00:43 PM PDT by rennatdm
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To: freeeee
All of the above?


40 posted on 10/07/2004 2:00:46 PM PDT by glock rocks ("I couldn't be out of gas. The light didn't come on." ... then she voted.)
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