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Congo's mystery killer could be a new type of ape
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | October 7, 2004 | By David Derbyshire, Science Correspondent

Posted on 10/07/2004 1:15:07 AM PDT by aculeus

An elusive new species of great ape, known to locals as the "lion killer", may have been discovered in remote forests of the Congo.

The creatures are far larger and more aggressive than normal chimpanzees and have provoked much debate among experts. Some believe that the lion killers are a previously unknown species and should join the other great apes: the chimp, bonobo, gorilla and orang utan.

But others say they are unusually aggressive chimps with odd gorilla-like characteristics.

Legends of lost apes of the Congo basin go back more than a century and inspired the 1980 novel Congo by Michael Crichton. In the 1990s, Karl Ammann, a Swiss photographer, travelled to the Democratic Republic of Congo to track them.

Locals told him about giant apes with a reputation for killing lions, New Scientist magazine reports today. Their ridged skulls were typical of gorillas but they behaved like chimps, and unlike either they made permanent nests.

Last year Shelly Williams, an independent primatologist affiliated to the Jane Goodall Institute in Maryland, in the United States, became the first scientist to see the creatures close up and is sure that they are a new species.

"We could hear them in the trees, about 20 feet away," she said. "My tracker made a sound of an injured duiker [antelope] and four came rushing through the brush towards me.

"If this had been a bluff charge, they would have been screaming to intimidate us. These guys were quiet. And they were huge. They were coming in for the kill. I was directly in front of them, and as soon as they saw my face, they stopped and disappeared."

However, Dr Colin Groves, of the Australian National University, Canberra, who has studied their skulls, said: "There is no doubt from the measurements that this is the skull of a chimp, although the crest is strange."

Dr Andrew Whitten, of St Andrews University, questioned whether behavioural differences were enough to suggest a new ape. "There are huge cultural differences among chimpanzees," he said.

"I do not think that behaviour makes a good marker for sub-species in great apes as flexible as chimps."


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: africa; ape; bonobo; bonobos; chimpanzee; chimpanzees; congo; greatgrapeape
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To: Sloth

Attacked by rabbits?
Must've been the Devil Bunnies.
41 posted on 10/07/2004 6:57:48 AM PDT by Darksheare ("I helped the VietCong win the war, I'll help Al-Qeada too." -John Kerry promises a sensitive war.)
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To: olde north church

Well, yes – males have traditionally been the dominant warriors. Only rarely have women participate in direct combat.
Uh oh – sexist?


42 posted on 10/07/2004 7:09:56 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott; All

A warrior is quite different from hunter though, wouldn't you agree?


43 posted on 10/07/2004 7:12:45 AM PDT by olde north church (I would have supported Henry Waxman's mother's right to an abortion.)
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To: backhoe
I didn't do it.

Pass the lion loin...(burrrrrp)

I am a Sumatran Orangutan...
My main political opposition is the Red Ape (votes for Commies, registered DemocRAT).

Here's an honest POS DemocRAT Communist, anyway...
Some people are such hominids.
44 posted on 10/07/2004 7:27:25 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic; ..

Oook, oook! (partial ping)


45 posted on 10/07/2004 7:30:26 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: BigCinBigD
Sasquatch...

Big Footprints bump!!

46 posted on 10/07/2004 7:32:18 AM PDT by martin gibson
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To: aculeus

Has anyone checked Skull Island?


47 posted on 10/07/2004 7:38:17 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: PatrickHenry
Was Crichton right on?
48 posted on 10/07/2004 7:41:12 AM PDT by VadeRetro (A self-reliant conservative citizenry is a better bet than the subjects of an overbearing state. -MS)
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To: judywillow
No ape including gorillas should be able to kill an adult lion.

Well, somebody had to post it

49 posted on 10/07/2004 7:56:29 AM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: aculeus
An elusive new species of great ape...

Evolution at work. A new species!

Has anybody seen Ted Kennedy lately?
50 posted on 10/07/2004 7:57:55 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: aculeus

I read the book and saw the movie, I think it was called, "Congo" by Michael Crichton.


51 posted on 10/07/2004 8:01:53 AM PDT by matchwood
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To: aculeus
Their ridged skulls were typical of gorillas but they behaved like chimps, and unlike either they made permanent nests.

Permanent and invisible.

52 posted on 10/07/2004 8:02:59 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: xJones

Re: Yes, but she's in no danger of being raped.


ROTFLMAO!


53 posted on 10/07/2004 8:11:17 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Junior
Not alone, no. Apes, including humans, don't typically hunt alone, however.

Neither do lions.....

54 posted on 10/07/2004 8:43:14 AM PDT by judywillow
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To: aculeus
Homo Progressivus?
55 posted on 10/07/2004 8:50:31 AM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: aculeus
Great apes!

56 posted on 10/07/2004 8:55:50 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: ApesForEvolution

Ha! Very good!


57 posted on 10/07/2004 9:02:03 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: judywillow

That is, not until Tarzan taught them how to do it.


58 posted on 10/07/2004 9:05:43 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: judywillow
No ape including gorillas should be able to kill an adult lion.

The Guadalcanal Giants could

59 posted on 10/07/2004 12:16:23 PM PDT by paleocon patriarch (President Bush is a fighter - John Kerry is a TOMATO CANdidate)
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To: aculeus

Was Diane Fosse in that area at all.


60 posted on 10/07/2004 12:18:26 PM PDT by Calusa (One Nation Gone Under.)
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