Posted on 10/06/2004 10:45:27 PM PDT by GBH
It seems so easy to refute John Kerry and John Edwards with respect to the 9/11 Saddam connection. Here's how I'd do it:
‘there was no connection to 9/11 and Saddam Hussein’
-John Kerry -First Presidential Debate, 10-01-04
“there is no connection between Saddam Hussein and the attacks of September 11th – period”
-John Edwards -Vice Presidential Debate, 10-5-04
Oh really Senators?
1. Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait
2. U.S. sends troops to Saudi Arabia to oppose Saddam Hussein.
3. Bin Laden declares war on U.S. for sending troops to Saudi Arabia, and using Saudi Arabia as a base from which to wage its war against Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden builds Al Qaida terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and plots a series of escalating attacks against the United States.
4. 9/11 - Al Qaida (Bin Laden) attacks the U.S. using four hijacked airliners, destroys two of the world’s tallest office buildings, badly damages the Pentagon, and almost destroys either the White House or the U.S. Capital building.
Then under the leadership of President George W. Bush…
5. U.S. attacks Al Qaida (Bin Laden) overtly in Afghanistan and covertly in dozens of other countries around the world.
6. U.S. invades Iraq and deposes Saddam Hussein.
7. U.S. announces its troops will leave Saudi Arabia.
8. U.S. supports democratic aspirations of both the Iraqi and Afghan peoples.
Sorry, but "no connection" and "no WMDs" have entered the public consciousness as deeply as the "fact" that Bush stole the election in 2000 with the collusion of the Supremes. We have to get past that point and find new arguments.
Better start reading before you start posting...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1234593/posts
borntobeagle, see what I ment...
Sorry to say this but that line won't work. It will be turned against Pres. Bush's FATHER.
Yes, it's Bush I's fault for attacking Saadam Hussein the first time. That was insennnnsitiive. It made the peace loving Muslims angry with us. Yep, it's Bush I's fault.
CNN 1999...
"Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has offered asylum to bin Laden"
http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9902/13/afghan.binladen/
AND.............
ABC 1999....
1999 ABC News Report : The Osama - Hussein Connection
http://www.radioamerica.org/audio/MR_ABC-Osama-Hussein-connections.mp3
ABC News, January 14, 1999
'". . . [Mamdouh Mahmud] Salim, alleged to be a key military advisor and
believed to be privy to bin Laden's most secret projects, is also apprehended.
The US government alleges that he was under secret orders to procure enriched
uranium for the purpose of developing nuclear weapons.
These are allegations bin Laden does not now deny. "It would be a sin for
Muslims not to try to possess the weapons that would prevent the infidels from
inflicting harm on Muslims, but how we could use these weapons if we possessed
them is up to us.
With an American price on his head, there weren't many places bin Laden could
go, unless he teamed up with another international pariah, one also with an
interest in weapons of mass destruction. Osama believes in the 'enemy of my
enemy is my friend, and someone I should cooperate with.' That is certainly
the current case with Iraq. Saddam Hussein has a long history of harboring
terrorists: Carlos the Jackal, Abu Nida, Abu Abbas. The most notorious
terrorist of their era all found shelter and support at one time in Baghdad.
Intelligence sources say bin Laden's long relationship with the Iraqis began
as he helped Sudan's fundamentalist government in their efforts to acquire
weapons of mass destruction. Three weeks after the bombing, on August 31st,
bin Laden reaches out to his friends in Iraq and Sudan. Iraq's vice president
arrives in Khartoon to show his support for the Sudanese after the US attack.
ABC News has learned that during these meetings, senior Sudanese officials,
acting on behalf of bin Laden, asked if Saddam Hussein would grant him asylum.
Iraq was indeed interested. ABC News has learned that in December, an Iraqi
intelligence chief, named Farouk Hijazi, now Iraq's ambassador to Turkey, made
a secret trip to Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden. Three intelligence
agencies tell ABC News they cannot be certain what was discussed, but almost
certainly, they say, bin Laden has been told he would be welcome in Baghdad.''
And intelligent sources say that they can only speculate on the purpose of an
alliance. What could bin Laden offer Saddam Hussein? Only days after he meets
Iraqi officials, bin Laden tells ABC news that his network is wide and there
are people prepared to commit terror in his name who he does not even control.
'It's our job to incite and to instigate. By the grace of God, we have done
that.'"
And you just had to share it on the very first day with a thread all your own! Couldn't you have just posted within an existing thread?
These terrorists are all over the place and are intertwined. Saddam didn't send money to Israel. He sent it as a "Thank You" to the families of the terrorists who kill the Jews.
I definitely see your point, but maybe President Bush SHOULD make a clear contrast with his father on this issue. In any case, Bush senior could shoot back that were it not for Operation Desert Storm, we'd have a nuclear armed dictator on our hands today.
Thanks Names Ash Housewares for the great info!
Sorry endthematrix. I will do some remedial lurking in the near future.
Here's some further documentation for #2
On February, 23, 1998, Bin-Ladin calls on Muslims to “kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it.” As justification for his declared war on the United States, Bin-Ladin lists three specific points:
Quote:
“First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples. If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.
Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.
So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.
Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.”
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm
In the first paragraph quoted above, Bin-Ladin refers to the American soldiers based in Saudi Arabia, and specifically the air bases used to patrol the no-fly zones over Iraq. In the second paragraph, Bin-Ladin refers to 1991 Gulf War, and the economic sanctions leveled against Iraq. He suggests that Americans intend, “to annihilate what is left of (the Iraqi) people”. Finally, in the third paragraph, Bin-Ladin concludes by suggesting the motives for America’s actions are to “to destroy Iraq” and “fragment all the states of the region” and thereby guarantee Israel’s survival.
Unquestionably, Iraq figures prominently in Bin-Ladin’s publicly-stated reasons for declaring war on the United States.
Interestingly, the official 9/11 Commission Report mentions this 1998 declaration, but makes no mention of Bin-Ladin’s three Iraq-related points. Instead, the Report says, “Bin-Ladin’s 1998 declaration was only the latest in the long series of his public and private calls since 1992 that singled out the United States for attack”. And, “plans to attack the United States were developed with unwavering single-mindedness throughout the 1990’s” (9/11 Commission Report, p.48)
Actually, I've read the rules and I don't think my post is a "vanity" in the sense that the rules describe (i.e. "brief question or comment") though I certainly don't claim that it meets 'a high standard of quality'. I'm just anonymously putting a topic out there and seeing what interesting responses I receive. And, I learned something new as a result thanks to the considerate reply of Names Ash Housewares.
I don't think the "globalists democrats" can blame Bush's father for what happened in the first Iraq war....remember: the United Nations agreed to that invasion.
Peter Arnett's 1997 interview of bin Laden on CNN shows a different side.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/usama_interview_cnn.htm
Well, I wouldn't expect him to talk too openly about his offer being rejected. But it is a fact that it did happen. And it is a fact that he wanted to fight against Hussein.
Your point is well taken.
I appreciate that you have taken the time to point this out to me. Learning never ends, huh?
Yes, I had considered your point. But you know what? I don't think the UN backing it issue would even matter to the MSM. In fact, I'm sure it wouldn't.
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