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Rangel votes against own draft measure
The Hill ^ | 10/06/04 | Michael S. Gerber

Posted on 10/05/2004 8:29:03 PM PDT by nypokerface

Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) did something a little unusual yesterday. First he protested when Republican leadership scheduled his own bill for a vote.

Then he sent out a letter encouraging his Democratic colleagues to vote against it.

Rangel’s bill, which the leadership had placed on the suspension calendar, would create a national-service draft under which all 18- to 26-year-olds would serve in the military or perform two years of national service as determined by the president. Rangel has been advocating a draft for several years, but he argued yesterday that the bill was too important for the suspension calendar, “which is reserved for non-controversial items,” he said in a statement.

Bills on the suspension calendar cannot be amended on the floor and require two-thirds of the House to clear the chamber.

Rangel accused Republicans of using his bill to assuage fears that President Bush had plans to reinstate the draft, stating, “The Republican leadership decision to place the draft legislation on the suspension Calendar is a political maneuver to kill rumors of the President’s intention to reinstate the draft after the November election.”

He went on to urge Democrats running for reelection to vote no.

“I am voting no, because my bill deserves serious consideration,” his statement continued.

“It should be subject to hearings and to expert testimony. The administration should come and tell us about our manpower needs, about recruitment and retention, about the extent to which out troops are overextended. And they should give us their views about shared sacrifice. If they did all of those things in a serious way, they would have to admit that my bill is an option.”

Democrats said Republican leaders gave them no notice that the Rangel bill was headed to the floor.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: draft; iwontvoteformybill; rangel; whatalooser
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To: nypokerface

HEHEHEE...someone forgot to tell Charlie that it would be a DNC talking point during the elections. Bwaaaaaaaahhaha


21 posted on 10/05/2004 9:10:41 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: nypokerface

Yessiree, it's an important bill, far too important to vote for or to pass or anything, so important you have to vote against it. Especially if you're for it. Or if you're not for it but you want your opponents to be for it and they're not cooperating. Yeah, that's it.


22 posted on 10/05/2004 9:13:43 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Popman
Popman, here's a little ammo for you. Notice how the Dems wanted to conscript even BEFORE the latest Iraq war.

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These are the people who want to forcibly conscript your children between 18 and 26 years of age into the Army. See if you can detect what they have in common.

` Bills HR 163 and S 89 have been introduced in 2003, prior to the War in Iraq by Charles Rangel (Democrat-NY) and Senator Ernest Hollings (Democrat-SC) respectively.

CO-Sponsors of HR 163:

ABERCROMBIE, NEIL ---------------------------Democrat, HI

BROWN, CORRINE ------------------------------Democrat, FL

CHRISTENSEN, DONNA --------------------------Democrat, VI

CLAY, WM. ------------------------------------Democrat, MO

CONYERS, JOHN -------------------------------Democrat, MI

CUMMINGS, ELIJAH ----------------------------Democrat, MD

HASTINGS, ALCIE -----------------------------Democrat, FL

JACKSON LEE, SHEILA -------------------------Democrat, TX

LEWIS, JOHN -----------------------------------Democrat, GA

MC DERMOTT, JIM -----------------------------Democrat, WA

MORAN, JAMES --------------------------------Democrat, VA

NORTON, ELEANOR HOLMES -----------------Democrat, DC

STARK, FORTNEY ------------------------------Democrat, CA

VALEZQUEZ, NYDIA -----------------------------Democrat, NY

23 posted on 10/05/2004 9:15:38 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: greasepaint
What is the H 'bill number'.

HR163. The Senate bill is S89, introduced by Fritz Hollings, another democRAT.

24 posted on 10/05/2004 9:19:09 PM PDT by Bob
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To: dufekin
Was it voted down by unanimous consent? How about this: did anyone actually vote FOR the bill?

IIRC, it went down 402-2. Two dims voted for it. Pete Stark was one but I've forgotten who the other one was.

25 posted on 10/05/2004 9:21:00 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Rockpile
MORAN, JAMES --------------------------------Democrat, VA

Figures

26 posted on 10/05/2004 9:22:59 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: nypokerface

As I understand it (according to a local radio host), almost all the bill's sponsors voted against it, except for Fortney Stark.


27 posted on 10/05/2004 9:23:14 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (The police never think it's as funny as you do.)
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To: nypokerface
Only Murtha and Stark voted yes.

I hate Pete Stark, but give him a little credit for consistency.

28 posted on 10/05/2004 9:26:42 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Dead or alive, I got a .45 - and I never miss!!!" - AC/DC - Problem Child)
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To: nypokerface

He voted it for it before he voted against it. It's called the Kerry plie.


29 posted on 10/05/2004 9:28:56 PM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: nypokerface

Earlier on another thread I said it was buried. My congressman's aid called me back and told me that the reason they brought the bill out was to force the vote and get rid of it and hopefully the rumors.


30 posted on 10/05/2004 9:35:18 PM PDT by mombrown1
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To: nypokerface
Rangel's a nitwit...

Amongst his other lame-brain proposals in Congress was for a Gold Coin in "honor" of the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

31 posted on 10/05/2004 9:41:03 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: nypokerface
Only two lawmakers, Democrats John Murtha of Pennsylvania and Pete Stark of California, voted for the draft measure.

Final vote:

Aye: 2

Nay: 402

32 posted on 10/05/2004 9:45:15 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: F16Fighter
That is a dumb idea. Jesse's always taken cash, checks and major credit cards. There's no need to go out of your way by paying with gold coins.

As far as the draft issue goes, the fact that most of the ALL DEMOCRATIC sponsors of the bill voted against it, and that the bill was obliterated in the House, should be a wake up call to the scare mongers. The 'draft' is prank legislation, and now even the pranksters are backing off of the joke.

33 posted on 10/05/2004 9:46:18 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (Proudly FReeping in my invisible pajamas.)
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To: nypokerface

We really need to blast this REAL AND TRUE evidence that, if Hanoi John gets elected, the Democrats will revive the draft.


34 posted on 10/05/2004 9:54:43 PM PDT by noblejones (The Focus group folks told him to do this . . .)
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To: nypokerface

Good. Why would they need a draft? We're not in a sitatution for it. They are trying to bring back Vietnam syndrome again.


35 posted on 10/05/2004 10:02:04 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: Ptarmigan

Because if Kerry is elected, the military will walk out and leave him holding the bag...


36 posted on 10/05/2004 10:14:22 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook ((Kerry/Edwards - We'll open up a carafe of whoopass on terrorists!))
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To: xm177e2
Hello,

This has been one of the funniest things I have ever seen!

Glad to be here, MOgirl
37 posted on 10/05/2004 10:16:55 PM PDT by MOgirl (In memory of Walton Wayne Callahan, I love you forever.)
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To: All

"OOOPs,,if my draft legislation can't be used to my party's advantage,,then,,,nevermind."


38 posted on 10/05/2004 10:36:54 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: nypokerface

Is there a online listing of the vote, somewhere?


39 posted on 10/05/2004 10:53:07 PM PDT by greasepaint
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To: nypokerface

I actually voted against the bill, after I sponsored it.


40 posted on 10/05/2004 11:02:58 PM PDT by magellan
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