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KERRY DEBATE ACTIONS BEING SEVERELY MISIDENTIFIED, EVEN AT FOX; ACTION NEEDED
Various | October 4, 2004 | MississippiMan

Posted on 10/04/2004 12:03:24 PM PDT by MississippiMan

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To: MississippiMan

I am writing the Presidential Debate Commission. Does cheating mean nothing to them? What are they, the UN of Presidential Debates?


101 posted on 10/04/2004 12:58:20 PM PDT by ethical
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To: Nachum

"Rush argued that they already "got away" with this...."

A typical reaction from RHINO's (All who do not support our country and its laws are one!). This must not be allowed to stand. RULES ARE RULES!! Traitors do not follow rules.


102 posted on 10/04/2004 1:00:11 PM PDT by olinr
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To: MississippiMan

Go down to your local FOX affiliate & ask them to give you a look at the network feed.


103 posted on 10/04/2004 1:01:07 PM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: Nachum

I disagree with Rush on this. That is like saying " ah , so what, if you kids cheat on your test"...."you already got away with it, so just keep the " A"!!!" Where in the world is the integrity our country claims to be founded on!!!!!!!!!!


105 posted on 10/04/2004 1:03:38 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: tiki
I am looking at W as well. W didn't do anything when he got to the podium. He just went up there fiddled with the stuff that was on the podium and stood there. At least that is all I can tell from my TIVO.
106 posted on 10/04/2004 1:04:25 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Shermy
And as I noted elsewhere, did anyone notice how smooth Kerry's move was? Like a pro.

Yes, it's nonchalant, casual, and slick.

Another freeper in one of the other threads did a nice job of using a find-edges filter that clearly ID'd the pen in his right hand.

MM

107 posted on 10/04/2004 1:04:59 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: MississippiMan
A pen. A square pen that flips open.

Sure.

108 posted on 10/04/2004 1:06:13 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: MississippiMan
"The issue of what Kerry brought with him to the podium is not a petty one."

Thank you very much for your work on this. I disagree with some posters who think it is not important or will backfire. The 'Rats are used to getting away with cheating; if caught, they merely lie with impunity, and attack the credibility of the person pointing out the truth! It is time that some of it starts sticking to them.

Not to criticize, just as a point of clarification (for those who will be making calls and writing letters and should not have their credibility reduced by terminology): the big piece of furniture behind which the speaker or lecturer stands is a lectern, not a podium. I.E. Kerry took something out of his pocket and placed it on the lectern. The podium is the raised platform that speakers stand on, with their feet, hence the "pod-".

109 posted on 10/04/2004 1:07:51 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (Proudly served in the National Guard)
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To: MississippiMan
Why on earth would anyone expect the Dems to approach this election with anything less than utter disdain for any sense of rules or "fair play". This has been boiling since George Bush decided not to cave under pressure after Florida 2000. The events of the past few months has made it clear to anyone with an ounce of reason that the Democrats will stop at nothing to win this election and since the MSM has been caught in bed with the Democrats (Thanks Dan) the media has thrown caution to the wind and are now in full bias mode.

The mask has been removed from the MSM...

...and it ain't pretty.

110 posted on 10/04/2004 1:11:40 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: All

First let me say that the FReepers are a great bunch of people. Of course they are, they are conservatives. But you see that poses a problem from the get go. As conservatives we tend to be independent, free thinking, to take matters into our own hands, to lead rather than follow. When you have a house full of such people there are bound to be those that disagree with what you are doing, which is fine, but I think it would do us all well to keep in mind that some of us do one thing well, some of us do another thing well and we need to have respect enough for each other to allow each person to do what it is that he or she does well or is able to do.

I agree that there are issues far more important than a cheating Presidental Nominee, however, the implications of a cheating President are pretty profound when you think about it and it IS important, and it needs to be acknowledged and addressed.

Of course it is not going to change the outcome of the debate, and probably not the outcome of the election, but in the circles that believe in right and wrong, we believe that Kerry needs to PERSONALLY acknowledge what he did and apologize to President Bush, the debate committee and the people.

No one can be allowed to think that they are above the rules. I am not, you are not and he should not be either.

I feel like, if he is not then why the hell should I be?? It would make my life a whole lot easier!!


111 posted on 10/04/2004 1:13:29 PM PDT by HannaUSA (One American that is dang sick of the lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: ethical
it seems that nothing does matter anymore. trent lott's words cost him the leadership role in the senate, nothing done to robert byrd for his blathering about "white niggers". cbs airs forged documents against bush and the big three stick together. sandy berger fills his clothing with classified material and nothing, and the list just keeps getting bigger.

on the other hand, bush should answer to charges made by those who use forged documents and should admit his "mistakes" in his administration. well, we saw the results of that when his father tried it during the 91 debate with clinton and perot. he agreed to raise taxes with democrats in good faith and they lambasted him for it. it's circular and sickening. i don't really see how bush has a chance.
112 posted on 10/04/2004 1:13:29 PM PDT by lonster
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To: MississippiMan

B...but it doesn't matter if Kerry lies, cheats, steals, or puts American lives at risk now or by his past actions. The only thing that matters is that Kerry wins. This is it, bottom line, take it to the bank. The idiot MSM brigade is shouting this from the rooftops. Bush is to be smeared any way, any how, anytime. Kerry gets a first class pass for everything, and that's the way it is. Period. The front page on every news magazine, liberal newspaper all the same. Kerry debate bounce! Gleeful expression.

Well, Cheney will eat Edwards' lunch tomorrow, and the MSM will act as if A: That never happened. B: It doesn't matter. And C: Cheney cheated, lied, and was mean or looked mean. Big bounce for Edwards/Kerry since Cheney/Bush aren't allowed to appear mean, mention France in denigrating tones, say anything of substance, or call Edwards/Kerry on their lies.

What we can do to counteract this nonsense is to say to everyone...Did you listen to what Kerry/Edwards said? What they plan to do if elected? Invariably, the answer is Uh, no. Then we bring up tax hikes, big ones, lots of them. Tax breaks gonzo. Tax rebates fini. Mandatory military service with help to pay college costs. This is the old bait and switch tactic. The money won't be there to pay for college costs. We'll be busy paying for meals on wheels for Sudan, Haiti, the rest of Africa, and any other nation or group of people with minority status. And of course, Hill's plan for educating the entire world and universal health plan...socialized medicine, etc.. People with children are worried that Kerry isn't going to protect this country. Well, we have to ask the UN and France if it's okay.


113 posted on 10/04/2004 1:14:53 PM PDT by hershey
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
"I am not a Thespian, in fact I do not like 99% of the prose I have read"

Um, a thespian is an actor, not a "prose reader."
114 posted on 10/04/2004 1:17:38 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Reactionary

Its OK, he didn't cheat, he just "took it out of his pocket before he put it in his pocket which was after the debate officials put it on the podium before they didn't put it on the podium"....or something like that


115 posted on 10/04/2004 1:20:18 PM PDT by Merlinator
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To: mountaineer
Could it not have been a handkerchief?

I can answer that question more definitively later, but on first review, the object behaves like a folded piece of paper, not a handkerchief.

MM

116 posted on 10/04/2004 1:21:44 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: hershey

Every time Edwards opens his mouth he is going to spew Halaburton:/ PUKE


117 posted on 10/04/2004 1:23:09 PM PDT by HannaUSA (One American that is dang sick of the lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: HannaUSA
I agree that there are issues far more important than a cheating Presidental Nominee, however, the implications of a cheating President are pretty profound when you think about it and it IS important, and it needs to be acknowledged and addressed.

.....the circles that believe in right and wrong, we believe that Kerry needs to PERSONALLY acknowledge what he did and apologize to President Bush, the debate committee and the people.

AMEN!!!! You said it well!!

118 posted on 10/04/2004 1:23:51 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: MississippiMan
Taken verbatim from the 2004 Memorandum of Understanding created by the two campaigns.

5. Rules Applicable to All Debates

(d) Notwithstanding subparagraph 5(c), the candidates may take notes during the debate on the size, color, and type of paper each prefers and using the type of pen or pencil that each prefers. Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper, pens, and pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff of the Commission will place such paper, pens, and pencils on the podium, table, or other structure to be used by the candidate in that debate.

Rules is rules and breaking them is cheating.

120 posted on 10/04/2004 1:30:04 PM PDT by Positive (There's nothing sadder than seeing a group of great ideas being murdered by a bunch of brutal facts!)
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