Posted on 10/04/2004 7:31:17 AM PDT by dead
Nadine Davidoff has had enough of men assuming that what gay women really want is a bloke.
When you see two girls walking down the street arm in arm there are a few of safe assumptions you could make about the scene; either the girls are friends or they are gay - they could even be partners. However, a certain subset of heterosexual men inexplicably arrive at a completely different conclusion: that the girls are putting on this display for their benefit and that they secretly want the men to join in the fun.
Who knows where this misconception comes from? Centuries of male privilege perhaps; a notion that everything in this world is created for their enjoyment? But this is the post-feminist age and men have long since ceased to be our supreme rulers. Which poses the question: what part of the word "gay" do these men not understand?
We are not helped, of course, by the likes of Madonna and Britney Spears, who recently engaged in a tongue-twister for precisely the purpose of revving up heterosexual men. I am sure they enjoyed themselves (well, Britney surely did) but did they realise that this wanton publicity stunt trivialises and misrepresents every genuine display of affection between lesbian women?
A case in point; one warm Sunday afternoon, I was walking along Bondi Beach hand-in-hand with my girlfriend. Deep in conversation, we suddenly became aware of a fat, hairy man barrelling towards us with his arms outstretched. "How 'bout a threesome ladies?" he leered as he attempted to enfold us in a group hug. It didn't take us very long to come up with an appropriate response to this invasion, and we promptly told the fool to bugger off. But sometimes, it's a little bit more tricky.
For example, my girlfriend dropped me off at yoga one evening, and as we parted, she gave me a quick kiss goodbye. "Nice kiss, girls," drawled a male member of the class as he stepped into the room. As I followed him into a quiet candlelit studio with members of the class already deep into their postures, it didn't seem quite right to ruin the serenity with a loud four-letter word.
It does help though, to have your mother on hand. Strolling past Ravesi's in Bondi one hot afternoon (yes, hand-in-hand with my girl) the hairy boofheads spilling out of every open window could not contain their excitement, and proceeded to hassle us with catcalls and whistles. By now, quite used to this graceless display, we walked blithely on. Not so my mother, for whom this was a new experience. "What's wrong with you all?" she scolded as she turned to face them. "They're not doing it for your benefit."
I have never seen a bunch of men sink faster into their beers. Clearly, if there's one thing heterosexual men are still afraid of, it's their mothers.
Was that a Talking Points Memo or an Impact Segment?
I don't buy it. The article sounds contrived to foster a lesbo agenda and denigrate hetrosexuality, not to mention painting fat people as pervs.
Jason Blair school of journalism graduate, IMO.
In related news, I read about a couple that named their son Drew. The family name is Peacock. They never made the connection on why this would be a rather insulting name.
Shalom.
"Two lesbians were holding hands and kissing in the checkout line at the grocery store the other day.
When was the last time you saw adult heteros do that? "
Uh, yesterday, you'd have seen that while my wife and I were in the grocery store. We often hold hands, and I gave her a quick kiss right there in the checkout line. But then, we're newlyweds, having been married only 13 years.
for later
Male fantasy. :o) You're always hoping that you'll be asked to join in. That's why the response.
The reason they look for is they having nothing else better to do with their time.
All I'm going to say about the lesbian issue is this:
If the so called "lesbians" really wanted women, there would be no place for the "BUTCH DYKE", as this is nothing but a woman who does everything in her power and mannerisms to act and look like a MAN.
If a woman truly wanted another woman, and was not likely the victim of some sort of physical of psychological abuse at some stage, probably early in her life with a man, she would be going after and interested in women who look like women.
"If a man sees another man having sex with a woman, he thinks "who the hell does that guy think he is, having sex with that woman I should be having sex with? It's an outrage!" "
Which explains, I suppose, why men don't watch explicit porn, then. Oh, wait....
Why do men fantasize about two women when it takes everything they have to satisfy one?
(and not always)
(and not all men)
"Why do men fantasize about two women when it takes everything they have to satisfy one?
"
For many men, exceptional sexual prowess is more a state of mind than a reality. I suspect most men would shrink at the reality of a threesome. (pun intended)
*sigh* Deviants complaining about people being deviant. I grow weary of it.
Good point. From personal experience, its hard enough to satisfy one woman in bed. I'll spare you the details. Anyway, I can't see how a man can satisfy two. That's exactly why its fantasy - its how men can imagine they can conquer women and feel all-powerful. Of course in real life, the reality rarely matches the fantasy. But as long as men exist, they will dream of doing things with women they know are ridiculous. Its all part and parcel of being a straight guy.
Having sex? Not really. All two women can really do is foreplay.
Sex takes a man, obviously the one viewing the foreplay, and he gets both women.
Sex is a situation where the man has the power, which they grant the woman. The power, the physical ability to say no, comes from the man. He grants this power to the woman. While this may not be always literally true, it is psychologically and spiritually true of the sexual relationship between man and woman.
That interplay shows the relationship between God and man. God has all the power, but God allows man to make the decision.
Homosexual male sex is universally abhorrent (even to homosexual males) because it turns this deep-seated psychological truth on its head. One man loses the power to say no. One man attempts to surpass another in the creation order. Both become abomination.
With women, neither has the power (psychologically/spiritually) so one does not surpass the other. What takes place is more akin to mutual masturbation than sex. Is it deviant? Yes. Is it wrong? Yes. But it is a sin that does not typically outrage our conscience.
I believe there may be a few in that category right here on FR.
ROFL. Post of the day!
"Having sex? Not really. All two women can really do is foreplay.
Sex takes a man, obviously the one viewing the foreplay, and he gets both women.
Sex is a situation where the man has the power, which they grant the woman.
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Really? The man has the power? I don't think so. Seems to me that I remember being told "NO" countless times in high school, and even later. Seems to me that the woman generally holds the power in sexual matters.
The truth is women are God's gift to men, not the other way around. Men are lucky to find love and fulfillment with women and somehow homosexual relationships don't come as close because when you deal with someone of the same gender, they look at things just as you do. Its very different to deal with someone made differently from you and who brings a different perspective on life to a relationship. If two genders didn't exist in this world, life would be boring.
Exactly. If women didn't say NO so often, they wouldn't have as much value. The less attainable something in life is, the more we want it. The same holds true for dating, relationships and marriage.
I went out with a girl who was a gymnist in college.
I miss her.
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