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House told to alter intelligence bill (Bush Opposes Crack Down on Illegal Immigration)
The Washington Times ^ | October 4, 2004 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 10/04/2004 7:17:15 AM PDT by Goldwater4ever

The White House has told House Republicans that it wants them to remove provisions in their intelligence-overhaul bill that would crack down on illegal aliens' obtaining drivers' licenses, allow easier deportation and limit the use of foreign consular ID cards. The Senate's bill lacks those provisions, and as the two chambers race toward trying to pass a bill before the Nov. 2 election, the measures are a potential stumbling block. The White House wants those provisions out, according to a congressional source familiar with the bill. "They have expressed desire to kill some of the immigration provisions and gut some of others," the source said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. Rosemary Jenks, a lobbyist for stricter immigration controls for the group NumbersUSA , who has been tracking the bill, said White House policy officials met with Republican staffers to urge them to remove the provisions, even though White House officials initially had signed off on those same provisions before the bill was introduced officially. "The White House was involved in the negotiations before the bill was introduced, and now, for some reason, it has come back and decided to insist that the main provisions, the most effective provisions of the bill, be gutted," she said. She said House Republican leaders appear to be standing firm in refusing the White House demands. A White House spokesman did not return a call for comment yesterday. ***

"This goes to the very heart of the entire conspiracy of 9/11," he said. "These people entered the country, got driver's licenses, used those driver's licenses to obtain the services they needed, and then used those driver's licenses to get on the plane."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush; illegalimmigrants; immigration
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To: Goldwater4ever
Kerry couldn't do any worse in undercutting our national sovereignty.

Estimates are that 3 million illegals a year are coming in. As* Hutchinson send back around 300 per month.

Bush is selling us out to Mexico and all the OTM -- Other than Mexicans -- invading us from the north and south borders. What he is doing is not much different than BClinton selling us out to China.

Pray that Senator Byrd (Democrat) stops this one. Senator Byrd (Democrat) stopped the last amnesty for illegals in 2002 on a procedural technicality.
81 posted on 10/04/2004 10:04:51 AM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Bush had better get his head out of his ass before next month.

This is the man that is the "security " candidate?

He has just lost that campaign point .

Now that fact is Kerry would probably do no different , but the strongest point of Bush was his "security " platform ..

We are in a race to one world government , both parties want to be in the drivers seat for it. Then when the crash happens they will both claim clean hands.

That is why neither party deserves or gets any vote from me. I will leave it to others to give our country away

82 posted on 10/04/2004 10:07:34 AM PDT by RnMomof7 ( ")
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To: Goldwater4ever
Another thread was "Locked" and I couldn't read it. The thread emphasized this topic and asked how do you feel about giving Social Security to illegals, their families in Mexico and is part of BUSH's Totalization Agreement.

Why was the thread pulled? Are we limited to only "pro Bush" statements?

What is the story with the "Totalization"? we have enough problems with SS as it is. Please reply to this or tell me where to post these questions and I will do so.

I find the illegal alien situation enough for me to sit out the election in hopes that the DEMs will shoot themselves in the foot and real men, like JEB, RUDY and McCAIN will be up for election.
83 posted on 10/04/2004 10:09:02 AM PDT by Henchman (Kerry lied, good men died!)
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To: Goldwater4ever

The House had better stick to its guns on this!
At this point I would be happy to vote for Pat Buchanan!
Rush is busily yelling about the great virtuses of out-sourcing, and Bush is taking care of the illegals!


84 posted on 10/04/2004 10:09:43 AM PDT by meema
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To: AuntB
They want the laws inforced, like hiring illegals and paying them less than the law requires.

And these are the very same people who donate money to Bush in order to see their desires fulfilled.

That's why Bush signed the Totalization Agreement with Mexico to give millions of former, current and future Mexican illegal aliens access to our Social Security system.

And because the democrats love illegals more than does Bush, they're not going to say a word about Bush's Social Security give-away.

So, the bottom line is that Bush, the republican and the democrats are in cahoots to give our tax dollars to Mexican illegal aliens.

85 posted on 10/04/2004 10:09:58 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: TomGuy
Senator Byrd (Democrat) stopped the last amnesty for illegals in 2002 on a procedural technicality.

Really? Yeesh. Well, thank you for *that* at least, Mr. Byrd.

86 posted on 10/04/2004 10:09:59 AM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Henchman

hahaha McCain? you need to read up on Prop 200 in Arizona. McCain is fiercely apposing it. There is a huge "open borders" crowd within the Republican party. Do some research on who they are.


87 posted on 10/04/2004 10:10:48 AM PDT by sheana
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To: sheana

post for spelling check....oops
opposing


88 posted on 10/04/2004 10:13:00 AM PDT by sheana
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To: PhiKapMom
It is you fear mongers that take an article based on some heresay and run with it why you are not voting for Bush

You may be right because the sources aren't named so we don't know for sure. But if this is true it could be a big problem for Bush because Kerry could flipflop at anytime and say he wants all of the committee recomendations and make it an issue in a debate.

There is some good news though about Arab illegal immigrants that I just posted over here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1234891/posts

89 posted on 10/04/2004 10:13:07 AM PDT by Fatalis
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To: sheana; Henchman

I also remember reading that Jeb Bush supported drivers licenses for illegals.


90 posted on 10/04/2004 10:13:34 AM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Henchman

PS Whoever said BUSH's strong point was "Security" and with the Mexican border wide open, he just blew that one IS RIGHT. Screw it, I sit out the election. I can't vote DEM without throwing up and the local Republicans just raise my taxes. Adios BUSH


91 posted on 10/04/2004 10:15:00 AM PDT by Henchman (Kerry lied, good men died!)
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To: Goldwater4ever

Is Bush determined to lose the election? Or is he just plain crazy?


92 posted on 10/04/2004 10:15:09 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: sheana; All
"we house their criminals"

I've had this on my mind a lot.  Most people are unaware nearly 30% of federal prison inmates, and over 40% of California prison inmates are foreign citizens.  The majority are from Mexico.  What I'm about to write is not aimed at Mexicans.  It's intended for illegal immigrants that commit crimes within our borders.

I hope I can write this in a manner that makes some sense.

Having possession of a gun carries much responsibility.  As such, states like my own, California, have passed tough laws such as 10-20-life.  It basically states that using a gun in the commission of a crime carries a minimum 10 year sentence.  If the gun is fired during that crime it is a mandatory 20 sentence.  Shoot someone and it's automatically a life sentence.  Murder during the commission of a crime can still result in the death penalty.  That hasn't changed.

Now it seems to me everyone within our borders carries much responsibility to behave, be they here legally or illegally.  It seems it would be fitting to have a state and/or federal special circumstance law similar to the 10-20-life law for illegal immigrants that come to our country to conduct further illegal activities.  Not only would it be fitting, but it would be very beneficial to make such a law well publicized in Mexican newspapers and media, and do the same here.

Have I made any sense?

93 posted on 10/04/2004 10:15:52 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: PhiKapMom

Bump to all that!!


94 posted on 10/04/2004 10:15:56 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Goldwater4ever
Just what we need;
Another coupla million voters for HILLARY in 2008...
Question: Is the war in Iraq a diversion so THIS CAN HAPPEN ?...
Hillary (no doubt) just gave Bubba a high five on this tragic mistake.
95 posted on 10/04/2004 10:17:55 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Fatalis
You may be right because the sources aren't named so we don't know for sure.

Do you have any idea how many times we're heard stuff like this from "unnamed sources?"

96 posted on 10/04/2004 10:18:15 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: politicalwit
Supporting GWB or JFK is only saying "we surrender" to the political process and will accept the lesser of the two evils.

Yeh, there is not much discernible difference between the two parties any more.

Even worse, the Constitution Party and Libertarian Party are isolationist and Deaniac types when it comes to the WoT. They want troops withdrawn brought home. The trouble is, al-Qaeda is still intent on killing Americans and destroying Western civilization. So, the Constitutionists and Libertarians seem to prefer for our military to fight al-Qaeda here rather than over seas.

We have no real choice. Perot tried to create a viable 3rd party, Buchannan weedeled his way into it and effectively destroyed it.
97 posted on 10/04/2004 10:19:00 AM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: k2blader
DRIVERS LICENSES. Heck, all that does is let the illegals vote in our elections. Drive up voter registration remember? Besides they all have Photoshop versions anyway.

I know Schwarzenegger was criticized for being "for" Driver Licenses and for a "reason" vetoed. Perhaps he is just pretending to go along with the Republican agenda.

Looks like there is a rebellion in the Republican ranks. The crazies at the DegenRAT party have that in free fall. Too bad we Americans aren't represented in our own country. Austrailia closed their doors, or I'd be gone.
98 posted on 10/04/2004 10:19:51 AM PDT by Henchman (Kerry lied, good men died!)
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To: Goldwater4ever
In or out..... what happens in conference committee is the telling item.... If the Senate doesn't agree then the entire bill is down the drain and start over....
Members of the National Commission for Terrorist attacks upon the United States held a press conference last week to complain about some of the House provisions and praise the Senate bill as it now stands. Commission Vice Chairman Lee H. Hamilton singled out some of the House immigration provisions as particularly problematic for commission members.

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99 posted on 10/04/2004 10:20:08 AM PDT by deport ("Because we believe in human dignity..." [President Bush at the UN])
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To: AuntB

I don't understand it either. I thought BM was gone, and was glad to see it. Apparently the suspension was very temporary. It's one thing to be a complete Republican thrall, it is another entirely to show up on thread after thread threatening, name calling, and disrupting.

Regarding the topic at hand, I am not entirely surprised. For all the reasons to love the way Bush has handled the WOT, there are things like this that just cannot be reconciled. All the while we have been in Afganistan and Iraq, our borders have been a sieve ... if we don't get hit again from someone crossing the borders illegally and taking advantage of the lax security, phony document market-place to support illegals, etc., then it will be a miracle. But even if that miracle comes to pass, we still have to pay for the millions that have slipped across.


100 posted on 10/04/2004 10:22:41 AM PDT by spodefly (A bunny-slippered operative in the Vast Right-Wing Pajama Party.)
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