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Selection Changed While Taking Zogby Interactive Poll of 09/30/04 (DEBATE POLL)
Self | 10/03/04 | Heart of Georgia

Posted on 10/03/2004 8:27:14 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia

I just took the latest Zogby Interactive Poll. I know they're worthless, but...

Anyway, there were the basic questions of who did you vote for in 2000, how likely are you to vote this year, etc.

Then the question, "Did the first presidential debate affect the way you plan to vote in the election?", and several options, including:

I had planned to vote for Bush and still do; (and directly below that) I had planned to vote for Bush but no longer will.

After selecting that I will vote for Bush, I clicked in the margin area and noticed my selection was changed to the one that said "no longer will."

It then moved me quickly to the next page. (I know that I had not clicked the continue button because I was nowhere near the bottom of the page but sort of in the middle). But, it all happened so fast that, just to make sure I had not accidentally clicked the next line, I went back to see if it would change the selection with me clicking in the margin. The selection was still on "no longer will", so I clicked all over the page to see if it would change. It didn't, so I don't believe there was anything I did to change my selection. I then had to scroll to the bottom in order to click the continue button.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: firstdebate; polls; zogby
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I've taken these polls many times. I have a habit of clicking in the margin after making my selection and have never noticed anything like this. Could it have been a some sort of technical fluke?
1 posted on 10/03/2004 8:27:15 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: Heart of Georgia

Could be. You should report it to the webmaster. I'll take the poll ans see what happens.


2 posted on 10/03/2004 8:33:47 AM PDT by Novel
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To: Heart of Georgia
I remember discussions with my brother during the 2000 elections.

He was approving of the Zogby poll. He claimed that it was the most consistent, and the most reliable.

I was new to FreeRepublic, but already recognizing the power of grass-roots advocacy, had read several threads that showed the bias of Mr. Zogby which has been demonstratively linked to the performance of his polls.

It does not surprise me that they would manipulate the polls, and this is just one more "clever" way of doing that.
3 posted on 10/03/2004 8:37:24 AM PDT by rockrr (A day without democrats is like a day without mental disease)
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To: Novel

Not sure who the webmaster is.


4 posted on 10/03/2004 8:38:49 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: rockrr
read several threads that showed the bias of Mr. Zogby which has been demonstratively linked to the performance of his polls.

I remember those threads also. Zogby is definitely a tool of the dems.

5 posted on 10/03/2004 8:44:58 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: Heart of Georgia

I got it from their contact page: marc@zogby.com

BTW - The page is missing when I try to get to the interactive poll. Maybe they already found the error. I'd send an email anyway.


6 posted on 10/03/2004 8:47:01 AM PDT by Novel
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To: Heart of Georgia

I'd say it's a fluke.

I have experianced the same thing when taking on-line polls for my company.

I once had to basically re-do a bunch of questions because as I was navigating, most of my answers ended up "chose not to reply".

I wouldn't be too concerned.


7 posted on 10/03/2004 8:48:25 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: Heart of Georgia

Sent an email. Can't hurt to let them know the pajama people are not sleeping in their pajamas, they're freeping.


8 posted on 10/03/2004 8:51:53 AM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: Heart of Georgia

I've been trying to take the survey to check, link doesn't work. They must know I'm a republican.


9 posted on 10/03/2004 8:52:53 AM PDT by zkbeta51
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To: Heart of Georgia

I got the poll link last week, but cannot respond to it today.

My bad!


10 posted on 10/03/2004 8:58:47 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Novel

Missing for me too!

Hmmmm


So much for balanced Zogby </sarcams off


11 posted on 10/03/2004 9:00:42 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All

Okay, look.

Polling is a business. Telephones and calling staff cost money. A website costs less.

Zogby rationalizes it by saying cellphones and caller ID render traditional calling invalid as a measurement tool. So he goes interactive, applies some sort of weighting to address those not online and makes his estimates.

Of far more curiosity is these wide varying swings in other polls as to what the party mix is in the sample. They are calling at random and asking people their party affiliation and getting these wide swings.

There is something wrong in all this and I don't know what it is. People are not changing their affiliation over 3 and 4 week periods. The polls prior to August showed heavy Dem sampling, then in late August and September they showed heavy GOP sampling. Now the recent Newsweek poll shows heavy Dem sampling.

It is said the Newsweek poll sampled only the west coast on one of the days and no one particulary on Saturday, which means most sampling was Friday night. This could have skewed it.

Perhaps Rasmussen has it right. He forces a mix and holds it constant. All variations thereafter are truly changes of opinion. That's why he has been so stable in his results all year.


12 posted on 10/03/2004 9:04:11 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Heart of Georgia

There are easier ways to manilulate a poll than to do it on the website and let the user know what's going on.

All they have to do is use the numbers they want after they've already been entered.


13 posted on 10/03/2004 9:17:51 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Salvation; Novel; zkbeta51

I tried several times also before it finally let me respond. I clicked a different link each time, and the last link in the e-mail finally opened.


14 posted on 10/03/2004 9:18:16 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: BigBobber
There are easier ways to manilulate a poll than to do it on the website and let the user know what's going on.

It happened so fast that I barely saw it, but I did see it change ...right before it "sent" me on to the next page.

All they have to do is use the numbers they want after they've already been entered.

That's how I used to look at it. I'm willing to say it could have been a fluke, but it did happen. Funny it happened with that particular response. I don't put anything past them.

15 posted on 10/03/2004 9:26:26 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: All

Not to defend Zogby here, but wasn't he the only person who got close to the results of the 2000 election? I think so but I may be wrong.


16 posted on 10/03/2004 9:26:52 AM PDT by rpage3
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To: Heart of Georgia; potlatch; Lady Jag

17 posted on 10/03/2004 9:41:04 AM PDT by Boazo
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To: Boazo; Heart of Georgia

18 posted on 10/03/2004 9:54:26 AM PDT by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra [https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate])
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To: Owen

There was a time when Rush Libaugh used to swear by Zogby. Called the most accurate and fair. I wonder what happened??


19 posted on 10/03/2004 10:43:46 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: rpage3
I've always thought Zogby is over-rated, JMHO. But having said that, I don't really trust any of the polls. For the most part, I believe they're bought and paid for by someone with an agenda. In Zogby's case, he's a dem. This in itself skews his polling and makes him suspect to me. If I'm going to believe any of the pollsters, it's the team with the Republican and the democrat.

But knowing all we know about what happened in 2000, I for one do not believe Zogby was anywhere near close. I believe they used Zogby to pave the way to believable election fraud.

I believe they're trying again with the so-called trusted Zogby (and others) to make it seem like the race is closer than it actually is.

We were set up in 2000, and we're being set up in 2004, but President Bush will win.

20 posted on 10/03/2004 11:01:16 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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