Posted on 10/01/2004 11:58:03 AM PDT by Stoat
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Why can't these women do it? I seriously doubt these men are rowing around still. These probably at least have old small outboard motors. One of my favorite little motors for a dink was an ancient old 5 hp thing...it was made in the late 1940s and never quit.
Sounds like 'Lord of the Flies'. Perhaps the Royal Navy's opinion of mutineers wasn't off the mark...
"The trial on the South Pacific island has made headlines around the world."
I never heard of an island going on trial. Maybe when they're done with the island, they can put a penninsula on trial next.
Are they muslim?
I haven't followed this closely, so I'm not sure what's going on yet. It is somewhat suspect to me that a women comments that she was raped four times as a child.
Considering the years that she would be vulnerable to that sort of thing as an underage child, it seems strange that this only occurred four times, if there was a problem.
She states that the women were considered sex object for the men, to do with as they pleased. In that invironment it seems like there would have been far more abuse than four time.
This is of course her story to tell. Perhaps the full testimony will alleviate this question.
The island is predominantly Seventh Day Adventist.
http://www.adherents.com/Na/Na_576.html
The National Geographic article never said anything about this particular unique characterstic of the island's males. Of course, they gave a pass to Stalin's Magadan and his Kolyma gold fields also.
The Pitcairn Island's rape trials have caused much controversy the world over. Many issues have have been raised over these trials, the legalities of the trials, the fairness and most of all where is justice on these issues.
This particular case will be argued from all angles for eternity with no sides gaining ground. There are differences in each society and so called laws. For one person to 'have their say' on these issues will bring back a flurry of people both disagreeing and agreeing according to the social laws of the individual's social stamping, weighing up the case in his or her mind.
Yes it's nature. That word again for all things good and natural. What makes mankind think that he is above nature? What does mankind think that he has a right to impose his social laws onto any individual, let alone a community that has rejected that society and lived for over a hundred years separate and thousand and thousands of miles away.
Oh yes, according to the laws made by this country, it does have the right to intervene and impose it's will onto others. But according to the laws of Nature this society of lawmakers is committing the crime by interfering with nature's true course. And nature is what life is all about, not brick buildings, plastic disposable societies and men in silly wigs.
These Islanders, have the closest thing to freedom that this world has within its lands today. To be free is the dream of many and has been achieved happily by these people for a long time now. GET OUT ENGLAND, GET OUT NEW ZEALAND and especially get the HELL out you so called do-gooders who are whispering what a disgrace all this is to God and the church and society.
The words culture and nature are two very different things. Depending on what you have been stamped with by 'culture' that is what your mind will conclude and believe.
It is not for you or anyone anywhere else in the world and even me for that matter to sit in judgment of these people. Until ALL, that is every single last droplet of the facts are in your possession and you are of clear and pure mind to analyse these facts without bias and prejudice, then you are basing your judgment on partials and incorrect assumptions.
In general, it is the administrations of so called civilized societies. The missionaries, do gooders and the people that think their way is the proper and correct way. Not all mind you but many. They like to think they know what's best for the islanders. Where I find an issue with social workers, be it on the island or elsewhere, they have once again been imprinted on what their own society deems allowable or taboo. They have been bought up in civilized society and not unlike the missionaries of days gone by could actually damage a native community by trying to imprint their ways upon the local culture.
My point is that it doesn't matter whether it is Mike or Melva or Miamiti. They all know what's best for them. It's their Island.
They have made it home for hundreds of years. They settled on an uninhabited Island, unlike the British who moved into new Zealand and Australia and started a great old killing spree of the land's rightful owners. Along with that we have the same so called civilized society that took all the native children away from their parents, to teach the children white man ways, to remove the heathen from within them, took them away from their lands and the way of life they knew.
So from this same British, we have a ship's Captain, who can't navigate his way out of a wet paper bag, allegedly claiming this uninhabited island in the name of the British, only problem being, he charted it two hundred miles away from where it was. So, in fact, the Island charted and owned by the British doesn't really exist. Meanwhile the inhabitants of the actual island are happily living through the years growing, reproducing and multiplying. However, the island is no longer inhabited by the British race at all. A new race, the "Pitcairn" has evolved from the mixture of the Tahitian and Oddbod nationalities of Bounty crew.
Only those Pitcairners!! have the right to decide what happens on their island. They have the right to argue amongst themselves, they all are individuals with their own ideas and thoughts, that doesn't change the way they feel about their island and their families and people. No-one gets along with everyone.
People have different points of view, that's what communication and discussion is all about, at least the islanders are communicating their ideas to the others. If everyone got the hell out of their business maybe their communication would slowly mend bridges amongst their community. The British admin have got to get over this colony idea of theirs. Hell, in their day the British claimed
everything, India and all.
People will either agree or disagree with what I have written here, depending on their social nature. I'll probably offend some, some will make it their duty to point by point argue with what I have said and written. So be it!! At least you have heard what I have to say, disagree with it as much as you want. Other may agree, the point being not all will see it the same way.
Oh and a last thought to you all. THIS IS NOT A PERFECT WORLD. So please
stop looking for perfection.
Thank You
Margaret Holborow
http://www.southburnett.net/pitcairn.htm
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