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Bush: Militarizing Border Won't Stop Illegal Deluge
Newsmax.com ^ | Monday, Sept. 27, 2004 11:07 p.m. EDT

Posted on 09/27/2004 11:40:43 PM PDT by Robert Lomax

The U.S. has no plans to deploy troops along the Mexican border to stanch the deluge of illegal aliens currently pouring into the country at the rate of 3 million per year, President Bush said in an interview broadcast on Monday.

"As the governor of Texas, I was very aware of this issue," Bush told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly.

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"There is a long border, that makes it hard to control. We have beefed up places along the border to try to stop" the flow, he said. When told that his policy didn't seem to be working, Bush insisted, "It’s working a little better.

"They're doing a pretty good job down in Arizona, which is the main border crossing. ... I think there's a thousand more border patrol agents along the border. We’re modernizing border techniques, we’re using better surveillance methods to stop this crossing at the border."

The president contended, however, that illegal immigration was driven primarily by the economic realities of the region.

"If you can make 50 cents in the interior of Mexico and five bucks in the interior of the United States, you're coming for the five bucks," he explained.

"I happen to believe the best way to enhance the border is to have temporary-worker cards available for people," he said. "I think the long-term solution for this issue on our border is for Mexico to grow a middle class. That's why I believe in NAFTA."

When warned that "a lot of people are not going to like that answer," Bush told O'Reilly, "Well it’s a, a truthful answer."


TOPICS: Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush; bushamnesty; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; issues; spottheretread; terrorism
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To: Marine Inspector; Jim Robinson

MI, your professional expert guesstimate would be appreciated to post 160. TIA


161 posted on 09/28/2004 12:44:24 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: Jim Robinson

The problem with the way they estimate border crossers is that they have a doctrinal assumption that they only catch 10% of the crossers. So if something happens that causes them to catch twice as many they assume that means twice as many people tried to cross. The entire illegal alien guesstimation system is built around this presumption that the effectiveness of the border never changes. There's a similar built in assumption when they start talking about the amount of drugs that come over the border. It's a great way to get increased federal funds because no matter how well they do their stats will always say they're no where near controlling the problem.


162 posted on 09/28/2004 12:46:15 PM PDT by discostu (run faster run faster you fool you fool)
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To: ApesForEvolution

I sincerely doubt that 25,000 Islamic terrorists have illegally invaded America. I don't think 25,000 raving fanatical lunatics could sit still in a strange land surrounded by millions of "evil" people that they hate with a passion for very long without blowing something or someone up.


163 posted on 09/28/2004 12:46:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

What about 1,000?


164 posted on 09/28/2004 12:47:24 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: HitmanNY
That's 1000s of miles - specifically how can that be made impenetrable without resorting to draconian tactics?

The U.S.-Mexico land border is about 1500 miles long. The total perimeter of the contiguous 48 U.S. is about 18,500 miles.

But, you know, Draconian tactics are just fine as far as the Riders Of The Illegal Immigration Hobbyhorse are concerned. They have no problem with demanding that a person be machine-gunned for trying to find good-paying work, albeit in an illegal manner.

165 posted on 09/28/2004 12:47:47 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek

LOL! You're killin me...


166 posted on 09/28/2004 12:48:29 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: Robert Lomax

In other news: Expanding the WOD won't stop people from dealing drugs


167 posted on 09/28/2004 12:49:09 PM PDT by Stew Padasso ("That boy is nuttier than a squirrel turd.")
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To: discostu

If they only catch 10% and they caught roughly a million crossers last year, does that means 10,000,000 are actually crossing? And 9,000,000 per year are not apprehended? I don't think so.


168 posted on 09/28/2004 12:49:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: ApesForEvolution

I don't think 1,000 could sit still for very long either. These people live to blow themselves up.


169 posted on 09/28/2004 12:50:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, the Republican party is all over beginning in 2008 unless the standard bearers act, at a minimum, to uphold their oaths of office by addressing the problems with criminal aliens and the porous borders with Mexico and Canada.

I, for one, and I expect many other members on this forum, will take a close look at Reps. Rhorbacher and Tancredo's efforts to make these problems worthy of at least a debate on the floors of Congress. If a third party candidate arises from this debate I would expect that candidate to have a large negative influence on the prospects of Republicans seeking the White house. Remember Perot.

If one believes in the rule of law then how can one support those who disregard the laws? If one believes in the US Constitution then how can one support those who disregard it? If one believes in the nation of the United States then how can any reasonable man do that which is not right?

I plan on voting for GWB but I will not be too proud of the result, either way.
170 posted on 09/28/2004 12:50:50 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Jim Robinson

Exactly, but that's their assumption. They judge how many are crossing based entirely on the idea that everybody that catch represents 9 they didn't. 1000 new agents on the southern border and a fair bit of good new technology doesn't enter into the equation at all, if they catch more that means they also failed to catch more.


171 posted on 09/28/2004 12:51:33 PM PDT by discostu (run faster run faster you fool you fool)
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To: Jim Robinson

How long were the sleepers that attacked the WTC (2 times now) here in America illegally before they actually killed us?


172 posted on 09/28/2004 12:51:43 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: Chemist_Geek

I have no problem with a burglar or intruder being killed in the course of his crime. And that is what these people are: burglars and intruders, period. If you come in the front door and abide by the rules of the house, welcome and stay awhile. If you try to sneak in and die, too bad, so sad. If you survive, a nice coat of tar and feathers can warm you as you are marched back over the border.


173 posted on 09/28/2004 12:52:02 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I believe that's Mexico's goal. They don't have to subsidize infrastructure to provide jobs, yet they reap the benefits because "dual citizens" are still taxed at the same rates - Mexican governments are in a win-win position.

As long as illegals send dollars "home", unscathed by reimbursements for their use of US services, there never will be any incentive for local Mexican governments to seek better for their citizens.


174 posted on 09/28/2004 12:52:08 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Jim Robinson
Confiscate their property? Wouldn't that be a gross violation of their constitutional rights?

Totalitarianism here we come.

These people didnt come here with a grand piano on their back or a trans am in their nap sack when they snuck in... They got them while residing, illegally, in our country.

They should be booted out with whatever they can stuff under their own arms. Im done with these illegals.

175 posted on 09/28/2004 12:54:15 PM PDT by smith288 (The news media, sometimes I felt like I had as much to fear from them as I did the Iraqis -soldier)
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To: discostu

10,000,000 illegals are coming in every year? No way.


176 posted on 09/28/2004 12:54:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: DoughtyOne

I'm predicting a major donny brook regarding immigration for October. Kerry will hold his nose and announce major immigration initiatives that will catch Bush flatfooted. He'll announce that Bush has failed the war on terror by refusing to secure our borders(despite not describing what he...Kerry...would do about them himself). It will be good for a 5 to 7 point swing away from Bush!


177 posted on 09/28/2004 12:55:10 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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To: Robert Lomax

Oh. So Bush's logic is that militarizing the border won't stop 100% of the illegal border-crossers...so, since we can't nab 100% of them, we aren't even going to TRY.

Thanks, George.


178 posted on 09/28/2004 12:55:26 PM PDT by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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To: Jim Robinson
10,000,000 illegals are coming in every year? No way.

10,000,000? I'd laugh at that - but 3,000,000 is possible.

179 posted on 09/28/2004 12:57:01 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Jim Robinson

I doubt it. I'd say 2 or 3 million individual people. Now on border towns you get a lot that come across just or the day and sneak back the other way (or deliberately get caught and driven back, along with a free burger). Now if you count those as individual crossing instead of people you could get a number in the tens of millions pretty easy.


180 posted on 09/28/2004 12:57:29 PM PDT by discostu (run faster run faster you fool you fool)
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