Bush: Militarizing Border Won't Stop Illegal Deluge

Newsmax.com ^ | Monday, Sept. 27, 2004 11:07 p.m. EDT

[ApesForEvolution]

MI, your professional expert guesstimate would be appreciated to post 160. TIA

[discostu]

The problem with the way they estimate border crossers is that they have a doctrinal assumption that they only catch 10% of the crossers. So if something happens that causes them to catch twice as many they assume that means twice as many people tried to cross. The entire illegal alien guesstimation system is built around this presumption that the effectiveness of the border never changes. There's a similar built in assumption when they start talking about the amount of drugs that come over the border. It's a great way to get increased federal funds because no matter how well they do their stats will always say they're no where near controlling the problem.

[Jim Robinson]

I sincerely doubt that 25,000 Islamic terrorists have illegally invaded America. I don't think 25,000 raving fanatical lunatics could sit still in a strange land surrounded by millions of "evil" people that they hate with a passion for very long without blowing something or someone up.

[ApesForEvolution]

What about 1,000?

[Chemist_Geek]

That's 1000s of miles - specifically how can that be made impenetrable without resorting to draconian tactics?

The U.S.-Mexico land border is about 1500 miles long. The total perimeter of the contiguous 48 U.S. is about 18,500 miles.

But, you know, Draconian tactics are just fine as far as the Riders Of The Illegal Immigration Hobbyhorse are concerned. They have no problem with demanding that a person be machine-gunned for trying to find good-paying work, albeit in an illegal manner.

[ApesForEvolution]

LOL! You're killin me...

[Stew Padasso]

In other news: Expanding the WOD won't stop people from dealing drugs

[Jim Robinson]

If they only catch 10% and they caught roughly a million crossers last year, does that means 10,000,000 are actually crossing? And 9,000,000 per year are not apprehended? I don't think so.

[Jim Robinson]

I don't think 1,000 could sit still for very long either. These people live to blow themselves up.

[Final Authority]

Jim, the Republican party is all over beginning in 2008 unless the standard bearers act, at a minimum, to uphold their oaths of office by addressing the problems with criminal aliens and the porous borders with Mexico and Canada.

I, for one, and I expect many other members on this forum, will take a close look at Reps. Rhorbacher and Tancredo's efforts to make these problems worthy of at least a debate on the floors of Congress. If a third party candidate arises from this debate I would expect that candidate to have a large negative influence on the prospects of Republicans seeking the White house. Remember Perot.

If one believes in the rule of law then how can one support those who disregard the laws? If one believes in the US Constitution then how can one support those who disregard it? If one believes in the nation of the United States then how can any reasonable man do that which is not right?

I plan on voting for GWB but I will not be too proud of the result, either way.

[discostu]

Exactly, but that's their assumption. They judge how many are crossing based entirely on the idea that everybody that catch represents 9 they didn't. 1000 new agents on the southern border and a fair bit of good new technology doesn't enter into the equation at all, if they catch more that means they also failed to catch more.

[ApesForEvolution]

How long were the sleepers that attacked the WTC (2 times now) here in America illegally before they actually killed us?

[dcwusmc]

I have no problem with a burglar or intruder being killed in the course of his crime. And that is what these people are: burglars and intruders, period. If you come in the front door and abide by the rules of the house, welcome and stay awhile. If you try to sneak in and die, too bad, so sad. If you survive, a nice coat of tar and feathers can warm you as you are marched back over the border.

[azhenfud]

I believe that's Mexico's goal. They don't have to subsidize infrastructure to provide jobs, yet they reap the benefits because "dual citizens" are still taxed at the same rates - Mexican governments are in a win-win position.

As long as illegals send dollars "home", unscathed by reimbursements for their use of US services, there never will be any incentive for local Mexican governments to seek better for their citizens.

[smith288]

Confiscate their property? Wouldn't that be a gross violation of their constitutional rights?

Totalitarianism here we come.

These people didnt come here with a grand piano on their back or a trans am in their nap sack when they snuck in... They got them while residing, illegally, in our country.

They should be booted out with whatever they can stuff under their own arms. Im done with these illegals.

[Jim Robinson]

10,000,000 illegals are coming in every year? No way.

[mdmathis6]

I'm predicting a major donny brook regarding immigration for October. Kerry will hold his nose and announce major immigration initiatives that will catch Bush flatfooted. He'll announce that Bush has failed the war on terror by refusing to secure our borders(despite not describing what he...Kerry...would do about them himself). It will be good for a 5 to 7 point swing away from Bush!

[Calico Cat]

Oh. So Bush's logic is that militarizing the border won't stop 100% of the illegal border-crossers...so, since we can't nab 100% of them, we aren't even going to TRY.

Thanks, George.

[azhenfud]

10,000,000 illegals are coming in every year? No way.

10,000,000? I'd laugh at that - but 3,000,000 is possible.

[discostu]

I doubt it. I'd say 2 or 3 million individual people. Now on border towns you get a lot that come across just or the day and sneak back the other way (or deliberately get caught and driven back, along with a free burger). Now if you count those as individual crossing instead of people you could get a number in the tens of millions pretty easy.