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The knockin' on Dylan's door drove him nuts (Bob Dylan: hippie-hating gun owner?)
All contents © 2004 Daily News, L.P. ^ | Originally published on September 27, 2004 | BY JANE H. FURSE

Posted on 09/27/2004 5:38:26 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

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To: AIC

Then you spent your life in a cardboard box. If you notice he would be very near to your age.


41 posted on 09/27/2004 6:04:24 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Skooz
Desire is probably my least favorite Dylan album (out of his 30 some-odd). Just never got into it. ....although "Isis" is a good tune.
42 posted on 09/27/2004 6:04:40 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly


43 posted on 09/27/2004 6:04:47 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: cardinal4

My understanding is that Hurrican Carter was innocent of the charges in the famous case in question, but was guilty of so many other violent crimes that nobody really cared very much about the "injustice" of his conviction.


45 posted on 09/27/2004 6:05:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: cardinal4
The "counter culture" of the 60's and 70's was. predominantly, libertarian (if they had a political philosophy at all). Some, of course, were simply hedonists.

The communists saw them all as "useful idiots" and hijacked them and their symbols and presumed them within a larger communist global revolution.

I still, frankly, cannot see how a generation, who had rightly looked upon an intrusive, overreaching government, rife with laws, rules and regulations, as the beast to be fought, tamed and rendered marginal so we could lead lives of freedom; can now seek to employ that same (but infinitely larger and more powerful)intrusive, overreaching government, rife with laws, rules and regulations, as a mechanism to impose their morality on others.

THAT was what they had fought so hard against back then...and today, they have become that which they had so hated...

Abby Hoffman was probably correct! "Never trust anyone over 30." The ageing hippies are now all over 30 (by a lot) and they have become authoritarians! (But, of course, they view themselves as "good hearted" authoritarians...and who could be against that?)

46 posted on 09/27/2004 6:06:37 AM PDT by steve in DC
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
L8R



47 posted on 09/27/2004 6:07:13 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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To: Kleon
But he is a gun owner. Like he said in his film Masked and Anonymous, "I gotta lot of respect for a gun."

Have you ever seen the Sam Peckinpah film Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (starring Kris Kristofferson and James Coburn)? Amazing (and underrated) film. Dylan wrote the soundtrack and played a character in Billy's gang named "Alias" ....the only one that didn't pack a gun. His killing tool was a knife.

48 posted on 09/27/2004 6:09:35 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
Desire is probably my least favorite Dylan album ...

It's probably my sister's least favorite, too. When it was released, I was 16 years old and bought the 8-track. I played it over and over and over and over..........

Drove her nuts.

I still think it's his best. Simply brilliant. "Black Diamond Bay" is one of the most astonishingly well-written songs ever. And "One More Cup of Coffee" is deeply ingrained in my mind. Hypnotizing.

49 posted on 09/27/2004 6:09:35 AM PDT by Skooz (Prove I'm NOT Queen of the Space Unicorns.........)
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To: rhombus

Check out the book "Song and Dance Man," I believe by Michael Gray. Its a really good look at the literary, Biblical, and folk influences he draws on. Dylan draws as much on William Blake and the Old Testament as he does from anything else.


50 posted on 09/27/2004 6:12:49 AM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: cardinal4

I can almost buy into this, .... except when I hear the lyrics of 'Masters of War' in my mind. That song strikes me as stridently, and naively, anti-war.

Any comments?

-- Joe


51 posted on 09/27/2004 6:13:45 AM PDT by Joe Republc
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To: Mr. Mojo
I've known this about Dylan for a long time. The guy never protested the Vietnam War -- all his so-called "protest" albums were released pre '64. At about that time he saw that he was being adopted by the folksy hippie-dippy types and abruptly changed course with Bring it all Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited (1965). .....all-time rockers. He's always been a rebel.

Exactly! I was getting ready to ping you, then I read your reply above, agreed with it wholeheartedly, and started my response before seeing your name at the end of it.

His protest music was basically aimed at civil rights issues, and "Blowin' in the Wind" was recorded two years before the Gulf of Tonkin incident, so it could hardly be called an anti-Vietnam song. I love his response to a reporter who asked him what he's protesting against: "Whaddya got?"

52 posted on 09/27/2004 6:16:46 AM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: Joe Republc
There is a time and place to be reminded that war is a bad thing.

Though, it is not the worst thing. That song is directed at the ones who never get their hands dirty, but do "increase their wealth at somebody else's expense."

53 posted on 09/27/2004 6:18:02 AM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Bob Dylan made a conscious decision in 1965 to separate himself from the hippy folk/protest culture that was making him their icon.

He made several very deliberate moves to alienate the organized left, from switching to electric guitar at a major folk festival to pursuing a traditional marriage.

One particularly harsh and excellent detail was his song "I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine" with lyrics similar to popular communist anthem "I Dreamed I Saw Joe Hill." Dylan's ex-girlfriend Joan Baez, herself a Communist, had sung "Joe Hill" to great acclaim. She had basically made a living off being known as Dylan's ex and for covering his songs in a bland, syrupy way.

Dylan's song basically takes "Joe Hill" - a boring, trite song that makes a murdering leftist out to be a saint - and transforms it into a haunting lyric about a real saint.

He also put out a country album in the time period of "Easy Rider" when the hippy culture most mocked and hated country as a right-wing, regressive style.

And of course, his well-known phase of born-again Christianity shows that he does not share his 60s contemporaries bias against traditional religion.

While he is definitely not a Republican, does not interest himself in policy questions, etc. I think that Bob Dylan is not ashamed of being American and actually loves this country and the people who live here - even the people who live in rural Mississippi and Nebraska.

That alone places him in a very different category than anyone on the Left today.

54 posted on 09/27/2004 6:18:30 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Joe Republc

"Masters of War" was written in '63 during his folksy phase, which ended quickly ......before the Vietnam War began. But for some reason he's defined by this (very) short period in his career more than 4 decades ago.


55 posted on 09/27/2004 6:19:42 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: HenryLeeII
The real kick in the tail was "Nashville Skyline."

Just boggled the fanatics who were expecting Dylan (and the Beatles) to be sending them messages via album.

56 posted on 09/27/2004 6:19:53 AM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I saw in a Dylan piece on "Biography" that Dylan resented the fact that the left wing hi-jacked many of his songs for political purposes.
57 posted on 09/27/2004 6:23:02 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Mr. Mojo
BTW, this article is generated off the Newsweek cover story. Bob's autobiography is to be released in a few days and there is an exerpt.

Can be found on the msnbc site.

58 posted on 09/27/2004 6:23:08 AM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Daveinyork

listen to the song "Tangled Up In Blue."

I don't know if it's genius or what, but I have no idea how he can create such emotional, intense, original images with just a few seemingly vague or random words.

like this:


I lived with them on Montague Street
In a basement down the stairs,
There was music in the cafes at night
And revolution in the air.


or this:


Then she opened up a book of poems
And handed it to me
Written by an Italian poet
From the thirteenth century.
And every one of them words rang true
And glowed like burnin' coal
Pourin' off of every page
Like it was written in my soul from me to you,
Tangled up in blue.


59 posted on 09/27/2004 6:24:38 AM PDT by Flashlight
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To: Aquinasfan
I've always seen Springsteen as a good-natured hack compared to Dylan.

What exactly is it that you prefer in Springsteen? And I don't dislike Springsteen's music despite his silly politics.

60 posted on 09/27/2004 6:24:39 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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