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Did Richard Thornburg advocate murder?
self | 26 September, 2004 | self

Posted on 09/26/2004 5:27:29 AM PDT by marktwain

Did Richard Thornburg advocate murder?

I would not bring this up, but it goes straight to the character of the man that CBS has chosen to investigate Rathergate.

I don't trust Richard Thornburg.

I also know that memory is fallable. If mine is correct,video tape evidence exists that Richard Thornburg advocated murder.

I remember that during the Waco crises, after the Davidians had beaten back the ATF assault, and the FBI was negotiating, Richard Thornburg was on one of the talk shows. They were talking about the standoff, and one of the comentators asked: If Koresh (Vernon Howell) was the key to all this, couldn't the FBI snipers just take him out?

In other words, Richard was asked, couldn't the FBI just kill an unarmed man who hadn't been convicted of any crime, and was not an immediate threat to anyone? Or, more bluntly, Can the FBI commit murder?

Richard answered: Why, certainly. We had a situation up in Idaho like this, and we ended it in a satisfactory manner. At the time, in the context, I was convinced that he was talking about the murder of Vicki Weaver during the Ruby Ridge fiasco. Eventually, the survivors of the Weaver family were paid several million dollars by the Federal Government, but there has not been any successful prosecution of Lon Horiuchi, the sniper who shot Vicki Weaver as she stood with a baby in her arms.

I realize that this was ten years ago, and that memories can be faulty. But, this was so over the top, so outrageous, that it stuck.

I appeal to the great combined intelligence of Freerepublic to assist in identifying the show (videotape would be wonderful, other people who remember the same show would be helpful), or in correcting me. If I am wrong, I apologize in advance. I would not post this if I thought I was wrong.


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KEYWORDS: attorney; general; investigate; murder; rathergate; thornburg; waco
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I know this is an inflamatory charge. But I beleive it needs to be brought up. At the time I was shouting at the TV. I was incensed, I was incredulous. How could a former Attorney General advocate murder!! As I recall, this was just about when we were starting to understand how badly the persecution of the Weaver family had gone.
1 posted on 09/26/2004 5:27:29 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

IIRC ,Horiuchi was at Waco as well. BTW, If you have high blood pressure , don't watch "Rules of Engagement"


2 posted on 09/26/2004 5:32:04 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (REMEMBER!)
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To: marktwain

Because he was drunk with the power of the State and didn't realize that the Internet does not forget.


3 posted on 09/26/2004 5:34:20 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: marktwain

Dude, appreciate your feelings, but you need to chill. Dick Thornburg is a fair person and doesn't advocate murder. Don't get so whacko!!!! Relax it is football sunday. Enjoy!!


4 posted on 09/26/2004 5:34:26 AM PDT by GoMonster (best homepage)
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To: marktwain

I know nothing about Richard Thornburg(h?). The very fact that CBS chose him makes him suspect, however.


5 posted on 09/26/2004 5:38:00 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: marktwain
In other words, Richard was asked, couldn't the FBI just kill an unarmed man who hadn't been convicted of any crime, and was not an immediate threat to anyone? Or, more bluntly, Can the FBI commit murder?

Give me a break. This alternative would have been so much better than the actual outcome. Obviously Janet Reno was going after him. How much better if only he had been killed rather than everyone in the building.

I find it curious that you want to blame this on him. He was not in power. Clinton and Reno were. This really makes me mad.

6 posted on 09/26/2004 5:38:22 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: marktwain

Dick Thornburg is such a good and honorable man that I think your characterization is probably incorrect. It would be helpful if you'd do a search on your own and try to find a link.


7 posted on 09/26/2004 5:42:20 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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Dick Thornburg is such a good and honorable man

absolutely!

8 posted on 09/26/2004 5:52:58 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: GoMonster
I don't think the writer was saying Thornburg ADVOCATES MURDER, rather that Thornburg ADVOCATED MURDER on TV.

Are there are other witnesses who recall this event. Your belief in Thornburg's integrity cannot change the past.

9 posted on 09/26/2004 5:57:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: marktwain

Did you forget your meds?


10 posted on 09/26/2004 5:57:11 AM PDT by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: w1andsodidwe; bang; Travis McGee
I am not blaming this on him. But, he was in power, I believe, during the Weaver or Ruby Ridge incident.

If the FBI would have investigated the scene at Waco, or negotiated in good faith, the incident would likely have turned out far differently as well.

Your advocation of extralegal force is not helpful. These were not enemy combatants. These were U.S. citizens accused of not paying a federal tax.

11 posted on 09/26/2004 6:00:43 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Peach

You're right, Peach. Perhaps a search PRIOR to posting this would have been an even better idea.


12 posted on 09/26/2004 6:02:09 AM PDT by LakeLady (Terrorists, Kerry, DemonRats...ZOT 'em all! It's their only chance to leave in a blaze of glory.)
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To: Peach
I did a google search and didn't come up with anything. This was almost certainly during March of 1993, over 11 years ago, and the internet was just starting to be used. Anyone who has access to a tape library of the talk shows during March of 1993 might find it. Alternatively, there were a lot of people taping shows during the period, and someone might have taped it and kept a tape. I wish that I had done so.
13 posted on 09/26/2004 6:04:43 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Peach
Every time I see Thornburg's name I am always reminded of this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37f827f828fd.htm

Although it has been pointed out that this one thread has more unsubstantiated nonsense than any other in the history of FreeRepublic, we cannot dismiss it entirely. After all, the Clintonistas were behind it all!

14 posted on 09/26/2004 6:05:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: marktwain

BTW, it's Thornburgh (with two h's).


15 posted on 09/26/2004 6:05:50 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: marktwain

Maybe you should do a google search spelling his name correctly and looking at all the Ruby Ridge articles you can find.

If Thornburgh did indeed say what you seem to think, he would almost certainly be quoted as saying that.

Also, the internet has MANY articles archived back prior to 1993.


16 posted on 09/26/2004 6:07:38 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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Dick Thornburg is such a good and honorable man that I think your characterization is probably incorrect. It would be helpful if you'd do a search on your own and try to find a link.

I'd suggest using the correct spelling of his name. While there is a character named Richard Thornburg in the movie Die Hard 2, the former Atty. General's name is spelled with another h on the end of it, Thornburgh.

I did a search and found out that Karl Rove sued Dick Thornburgh for money owed to him for Thorburgh's failed Senate campaign. Small world, eh?

Breaking News: CBS Names Independent Panel

17 posted on 09/26/2004 6:17:04 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset

Yes. That was posted by a few freepers when Thornburgh was named to the CBS panel last week.


18 posted on 09/26/2004 6:17:56 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Thank you for the correct spelling, Peach. I notice, however, that you also misspelled it in your first post. :)

I really wish to get to the truth of this matter. I did turn up several articles about Richard Thornburg with the wrong spelling! Or maybe I spelled it correctly during the search.

19 posted on 09/26/2004 6:30:01 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: GoMonster
Thanks,

I appreciate your concern, but this is one of those unresolved things that nags at you when Waco or Thornburgh are mentioned. I'd like to find out if my memory is correct or not. Memory is a funny thing, it is not like video tape. If I am right, this should be published. If I am wrong, I have already apologized, but I will do so again on this forum.
20 posted on 09/26/2004 6:41:37 AM PDT by marktwain
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